cfrankie

Original Title: Black-naped Tern
原來標題：黑枕燕鷗

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BWA

對不起，為免引人爭相仿效，
帶來干擾，已刪去雛鳥的照片。

想象一下：
如果有人登島亂闖，
嚇走親鳥，雛鳥會怎樣？

你贊成專登島嗎？


Sorry, photos of chicks have been removed to avoid attracting other people trying to do the same and bring disturbance.

Think about this:
What will happen to the chicks if someone lands on the island and scare the parents away?

Do you agree to "always land on tern islands?"

cfrankie

[quote:6e2cba9cec="calan"]對不起，為免引人爭相仿效，
帶來干擾，已刪去雛鳥的照片。

想象一下：
如果有人登島亂闖，
嚇走親鳥，雛鳥會怎樣？

你贊成專登島嗎？


Sorry, photos of chicks have been removed to avoid attracting other people trying to do the same and bring disturbance.

Think about this:
What will happen to the chicks if someone lands on the island and scare the parents away?

Do you agree to "always land on tern islands?"[/quote]


其實果果朋友都知我唔會登島嫁啦...做咩?係都要人效忠先安樂..!!你說..為免引人爭相仿效:係唔係想叫人登島!!!現在大陸都會開放...你還現在才去燒書..我們的下一代連相都見唔到...重講咩!親眼見...就算親眼都唔知係咩啦..


其實你唔想人登島...找漁護處係冇用..他們有自己部門的工作..同你做牌我覺得以很比面...如果想做保育燕鷗..就要自己組團做..不要求其他人幫!!
1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下

深藍-Owen

Quote:

1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下

1. GPS.. 閣下諗住無情情整個 gps 落燕鷗到有咩用途? track 佢既 migration 路線? track 幾耐? 個 gps 要有幾耐電池可以 last 幾耐? 最重要. 有咩 gps device 可以 last 好耐而又細到輕到可以裝落隻 tern 到? 留意下其他有落 gps 既雀鳥調查. 佢地既鳥種係咩先. tern 太細喇. 你想壓死佢乎. 你梗係未聽個有隻黑臉琵鷺長期咩住個發訊機攪到脊骨變型定喇.

2. 船家好成功喇. 去西貢行下. 有船家見你係影雀樣. 會問你影唔影燕鷗. 佢仲強調話過去數天經常車一個黑黑實實的四眼仔去島添. 佢地為左生意. 遲下可能出現塔門燕鷗團事件重現. 好在西貢 d tern 走得快.

3. 也是喇. 你未聽過. 那些磯釣人士. 因為全日食白果. 為免空手回. 就地取才向燕鷗埋手. 把牠們的蛋取走作紀念的故事喇.

做任何事. 要考慮好多因素架. 尤其保育. 更要係小心策劃, 要對受保育對象有一個長遠發展有得益既目標. 斷唔係我有錢. 諗到咩就做. 見到外國記錄片做咩. 我又跟住做. 外國環境唔同香港. 可以參考不可照搬. 對象更加係要睇清楚有咩唔同.

呢 d 野. 歡迎熱心. 但最終都係最好由專家們參與制定策略.

仲有. AFCD 係法定管理有關雀鳥保育事務的官方機構. 你做咩對雀仔既保育項目. 做時最好知會佢地. 當然最好由佢地幫手參與啦. 唔係犯左法你都唔知呀.

sammysam

[quote:142b03e77e="cfrankie"][quote:142b03e77e="calan"]對不起，為免引人爭相仿效，
帶來干擾，已刪去雛鳥的照片。

想象一下：
如果有人登島亂闖，
嚇走親鳥，雛鳥會怎樣？

你贊成專登島嗎？


Sorry, photos of chicks have been removed to avoid attracting other people trying to do the same and bring disturbance.

Think about this:
What will happen to the chicks if someone lands on the island and scare the parents away?

Do you agree to "always land on tern islands?"[/quote]


其實果果朋友都知我唔會登島嫁啦...做咩?係都要人效忠先安樂..!!你說..為免引人爭相仿效:係唔係想叫人登島!!!現在大陸都會開放...你還現在才去燒書..我們的下一代連相都見唔到...重講咩!親眼見...就算親眼都唔知係咩啦..


其實你唔想人登島...找漁護處係冇用..他們有自己部門的工作..同你做牌我覺得以很比面...如果想做保育燕鷗..就要自己組團做..不要求其他人幫!!
1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下[/quote]

對不起, 不是想弄是非! 但老實說, 從其他網上的論壇，有太多令人擔心的言論，包括之前有人要「專登島」，有人近攝閃「雛鳥」，有人在其他網說可以加入「其他鳥會」也能取得米埔證，在看完其他網上論壇的言論及那些論壇對相片的加分態度後，在感覺上你是支持他們的，所以你給我的感覺，就是你會「專登島」。再加上，從幾天前的討論開始, 你給我的感覺又是在質疑人為登島令燕鷗逐步減少的事實...當然，全部都只是我的感覺！

我非常希望自己是錯，更希望你不同意我對你的感覺，證明你會「不登鳥」，支持盡能力不干擾雀鳥，繼續支持鳥會對雀鳥及大自然生態的貢獻!

還有, 你所提到的, 我相信好多人也會想到, 有些已在進行, 有些未必適合去做或不能做到!

得感慨這個多月來, 攝鳥人的分化已到不能再融和的境地。最可惜的，是仍有不少人有「拍鳥為先」的想法。

cfrankie

[quote:3066982fed="cowen"]

Quote:

1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下

1. GPS.. 閣下諗住無情情整個 gps 落燕鷗到有咩用途? track 佢既 migration 路線? track 幾耐? 個 gps 要有幾耐電池可以 last 幾耐? 最重要. 有咩 gps device 可以 last 好耐而又細到輕到可以裝落隻 tern 到? 留意下其他有落 gps 既雀鳥調查. 佢地既鳥種係咩先. tern 太細喇. 你想壓死佢乎. 你梗係未聽個有隻黑臉琵鷺長期咩住個發訊機攪到脊骨變型定喇.

2. 船家好成功喇. 去西貢行下. 有船家見你係影雀樣. 會問你影唔影燕鷗. 佢仲強調話過去數天經常車一個黑黑實實的四眼仔去島添. 佢地為左生意. 遲下可能出現塔門燕鷗團事件重現. 好在西貢 d tern 走得快.

3. 也是喇. 你未聽過. 那些磯釣人士. 因為全日食白果. 為免空手回. 就地取才向燕鷗埋手. 把牠們的蛋取走作紀念的故事喇.

做任何事. 要考慮好多因素架. 尤其保育. 更要係小心策劃, 要對受保育對象有一個長遠發展有得益既目標. 斷唔係我有錢. 諗到咩就做. 見到外國記錄片做咩. 我又跟住做. 外國環境唔同香港. 可以參考不可照搬. 對象更加係要睇清楚有咩唔同.

呢 d 野. 歡迎熱心. 但最終都係最好由專家們參與制定策略.

仲有. AFCD 係法定管理有關雀鳥保育事務的官方機構. 你做咩對雀仔既保育項目. 做時最好知會佢地. 當然最好由佢地幫手參與啦. 唔係犯左法你都唔知呀.[/quote]

1我唔想教醒你點玩,,GPS,,,因為你自已應為知好多..科技一日千里---你D好鬼0ut小朋友
2船家想做生意又關你咩事..可能有D人又辦friend引人說話..好可怕的性格
3連我都講唔掂,你地點講掂磯釣人士
4如果你真係做保育,就一定親力親為..唔好得把口!!!保育係長時間,唔係吹下水就掂,,你此要知會佢地.準唔準做就夠..因為我覺得AFCD永遠幫完你地D得把口保育人仕...都係冇好結果

BWA

[quote:f58a5671d4="cfrankie"]
其實果果朋友都知我唔會登島嫁啦...做咩?係都要人效忠先安樂..!!你說..為免引人爭相仿效:係唔係想叫人登島!!!現在大陸都會開放...你還現在才去燒書..我們的下一代連相都見唔到...重講咩!親眼見...就算親眼都唔知係咩啦..

其實你唔想人登島...找漁護處係冇用..他們有自己部門的工作..同你做牌我覺得以很比面...如果想做保育燕鷗..就要自己組團做..不要求其他人幫!!
1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下[/quote]

[quote:f58a5671d4="cfrankie"]
1我唔想教醒你點玩,,GPS,,,因為你自已應為知好多..科技一日千里---你D好鬼0ut小朋友
2船家想做生意又關你咩事..可能有D人又辦friend引人說話..好可怕的性格
3連我都講唔掂,你地點講掂磯釣人士
4如果你真係做保育,就一定親力親為..唔好得把口!!!保育係長時間,唔係吹下水就掂,,你此要知會佢地.準唔準做就夠..因為我覺得AFCD永遠幫完你地D得把口保育人仕...都係冇好結果[/quote]

不大明白你的意思。

1. 做保育不一定要用 GPS。

2. 如果你有留意會員通訊和本會舊 BBS，我們的保育工作自 2003 年已經開始，有興趣可以去讀讀，也歡迎加入。

3. 不登島是燕鷗保育活動之一，得到不少會員和拍友支持，但是卻有人出來散播負面訊息，因此要和這些人劃清界線，cowen 和 ssammy 已指出問題所在。

4. 由於我們能力和資源所限，不是所有工作都可以做，不過希望其他人不要搞破壞。

5. 漁護署有責任執行保育法例和教育市民，指出不妥的地方，可以幫助他們改善。

6. 這裡不是一般攝影網站，除了讓人欣賞鳥類之外，我們也希望各位貼圖的朋友同時幫助宣揚保育訊息，多了解牠們的生態和困境。道不同不相為謀，拍攝者如果沒有保育理念，照片拍得怎麼好，也不見得會受這裡的朋友歡迎。

深藍-Owen

[quote:c560eed70e="cfrankie"][quote:c560eed70e="cowen"]

Quote:

1 自組費用..同D燕鷗落GPS
2 先向船家入手..要好實在做(比佢感到你係有決心的)
3 去所有香港所鈎魚用品公司推廣下

1. GPS.. 閣下諗住無情情整個 gps 落燕鷗到有咩用途? track 佢既 migration 路線? track 幾耐? 個 gps 要有幾耐電池可以 last 幾耐? 最重要. 有咩 gps device 可以 last 好耐而又細到輕到可以裝落隻 tern 到? 留意下其他有落 gps 既雀鳥調查. 佢地既鳥種係咩先. tern 太細喇. 你想壓死佢乎. 你梗係未聽個有隻黑臉琵鷺長期咩住個發訊機攪到脊骨變型定喇.

2. 船家好成功喇. 去西貢行下. 有船家見你係影雀樣. 會問你影唔影燕鷗. 佢仲強調話過去數天經常車一個黑黑實實的四眼仔去島添. 佢地為左生意. 遲下可能出現塔門燕鷗團事件重現. 好在西貢 d tern 走得快.

3. 也是喇. 你未聽過. 那些磯釣人士. 因為全日食白果. 為免空手回. 就地取才向燕鷗埋手. 把牠們的蛋取走作紀念的故事喇.

做任何事. 要考慮好多因素架. 尤其保育. 更要係小心策劃, 要對受保育對象有一個長遠發展有得益既目標. 斷唔係我有錢. 諗到咩就做. 見到外國記錄片做咩. 我又跟住做. 外國環境唔同香港. 可以參考不可照搬. 對象更加係要睇清楚有咩唔同.

呢 d 野. 歡迎熱心. 但最終都係最好由專家們參與制定策略.

仲有. AFCD 係法定管理有關雀鳥保育事務的官方機構. 你做咩對雀仔既保育項目. 做時最好知會佢地. 當然最好由佢地幫手參與啦. 唔係犯左法你都唔知呀.[/quote]

1我唔想教醒你點玩,,GPS,,,因為你自已應為知好多..科技一日千里---你D好鬼0ut小朋友
2船家想做生意又關你咩事..可能有D人又辦friend引人說話..好可怕的性格
3連我都講唔掂,你地點講掂磯釣人士
4如果你真係做保育,就一定親力親為..唔好得把口!!!保育係長時間,唔係吹下水就掂,,你此要知會佢地.準唔準做就夠..因為我覺得AFCD永遠幫完你地D得把口保育人仕...都係冇好結果[/quote]

1. 我唔係知好多. 我都係湊埋 d 睇左雀十幾年既前輩多. 所以比你知多小小有關雀仔保育既成功失敗例子. 簡單講. 吹得下兩咀. 就係多你小小. 而唔係湊埋幾個影左年幾雀就以為自己係大 c 乜都識晒連鳥會都要行埋一邊既老人家.  btw. 你都未講. 或許你真係有個可以裝落去 tern 到而又可以last 成年既device. 但你裝個 gps 落去 d tern 到做乜先?  就係為左 track 隻 tern 係邊. 夠竟係為保育. 定係貪得意想知隻雀係邊方便你影相? 當然. 你又可以一句費事教含糊其詞就算.

2. 船家做生意. 多左商業活動. 即係多左人去 tern 繁殖地點"參觀" 對佢地影響自然大架喇. 咁簡單道理都諗唔到. 學咩人講保育丫.  題外話. 識朋友. 好似你地在行 d. 我呢 d . 有排都追唔上. 不過我唔覺得呢個性格係可怕播.

3. 咪就係講唔掂囉. 你仲去釣魚舖宣傳. 荒死人地唔知 d tern 返晒黎. 係邊到咩. 係你話要宣傳架. 家下你又話講唔掂. 查實一向都要估你講咩架喇. 但哩下真係又唔知你想點播. 係咪又費事教精我定喇.

4. 都係果句啦. 小心唔好觸犯法例. 我唔會學你咁吝惜. 教精你. 你想裝 gps. 即係要捉隻雀黎裝. 話你知. 如果你咁做. 已經係犯法. 唔好以為見鳥會冬天係 mp 環誌咁好玩咁你又有樣學樣. 要 permit 架. 你知嘛. 係郊野公園. 囉果網捉蝴蝶都要 permit 架. 當然. 可能你又知既. 希望你係扮豬食老虎. 費事教精我o者.

wcaptain

Frankie 及各鳥友及拍友

我不想把討論保育工作及攝影變成道德批判。只希望提出一個問題，就是為什麼要不登島？

外國的燕鷗研究發現，人為滋擾會影響繁殖成功率，甚至會引致燕鷗放棄繁殖地。甚致一些近距離觀察燕鷗的研究，也可以造成滋擾 (Tern research activities appeared to cause the most disturbance.... http://ecommons.library.cornell.edu/handle/1813/2944)

不信的話，可在google或google scholar打入terns / disturbance.

所以登唔登島好?我相信大家自有答案。

香港的燕鷗保育及研究仍有大量工作雖要去做。希望大家珍惜這些已在本地廿多年，生兒育女的燕鷗朋友。

Captain

hpippen

Frankie, 送隻歌你聽下  8)

Artist: Vanessa Williams
Song: Colors of the Wind

You think you own whatever land you land on
The earth is just a dead thing you can claim
But I know ev'ry rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, has a name

You think the only people who are people
Are the people who look and think like you
But, if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
You'll learn things you never knew you never knew

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned?
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountain?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?

Come run the hidden pine trails of the forest
Come taste the sun-sweet berries of the earth
Come roll in all the riches all around you
And, for once, never wonder what they're worth

The rainstorm and the river are my brothers
The heron and the otter are my friends
And we are all connected to each other
In a circle, in a hoop that never ends

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or let the eagle tell you where he's been?
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountain?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?

How high does the sycamore grow?
If you cut it down, then you'll never know

You can own the earth, and, still
All you'll own is earth until
You can paint with all the colors of the wind

tbob

Thanks Pippen

sammysam

[quote:ffa204e2e9="cfrankie"]
現在大陸都會開放...你還現在才去燒書..我們的下一代連相都見唔到...重講咩!親眼見...就算親眼都唔知係咩啦..
[/quote]

忘了回應你以上的說話, 我與你的睇法完全不同, 我非常希望我們的下一代能親眼見到大自然的生物, "就算親眼都唔知係咩", 我仍然覺得親眼見比睇相片更能感愛到大自然的可貴!

另外, 其實現在相機及鏡頭的質素已很好, 即使"不登島", 也能拍到非常出色的相片, 我不覺得我們下一代會"連相都見唔到".

最後, 我覺得鳥攝本身是有其意義, 但若濫用, 無視對大自然的影響, 我絕對相信只會自食其果, 怕我們共同的下一代, 要為少數人負出代價!

cwchan

I don’t know if our non-Chinese readers can understand this articles which are very controversial. I wish our secretary Alan could translate it so that all of our readers can share and give their feedback.

tbob

Thanks Wing for the thought, at the moment I am using Googles new Beta translator from Chinese to English and it appears to work well

Bob

mkoren

I tried to use Google's translator also. It seems that some people's postings translated quite well (eg calan, ssammie, wcaptain) while others (eg cfrankie, cowen) were almost impossible to understand when translated by Google. At least I have a general idea of what the debate is over, but it seems like there are some local issues that I'm not getting from the translations.

深藍-Owen

sorry Koren, google translator purely for Chinese to English but not Cantonese to English.  :wink:

no big deal anyway don't care much about our conversation.  

tbob

Thanks Owen,

As a member of the Hong Kong Bird Watching Society, which runs this BBS, my concerns are always for the reputation of the Society.

I have stated publicly before and I still believe posting on the site should be for members only but with the general public having access to viewing the site.

cfrankie

cowen:你仲去釣魚舖宣傳. 荒死人地唔知 d tern 返晒黎(你要知道釣魚人士比你們更知燕鷗在那裏...香港以外也知)
ssammy:我仍然覺得親眼見比睇相片更能感愛到大自然的可貴!
你們一個想唔比人知.一個又好想人親眼見...??唔比人知又點比人親眼見啊?

yvicky

[quote:162c90ec97="cfrankie"]cowen:你仲去釣魚舖宣傳. 荒死人地唔知 d tern 返晒黎(你要知道釣魚人士比你們更知燕鷗在那裏...香港以外也知)
ssammy:我仍然覺得親眼見比睇相片更能感愛到大自然的可貴!
你們一個想唔比人知.一個又好想人親眼見...??唔比人知又點比人親眼見啊?[/quote]

to cfrankie: 難道你睇唔出佢地2個人講o個2句野的分別?? 你睇唔出不如等我話你知啦:
唔俾人知.... 係唔想俾d有可能&有機會影響到燕鷗o既人知
俾人親眼見.... 係俾d對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人親眼見....
如果而家咁解釋你明唔明點解佢地2個人講o既野唔同但係冇矛盾呢?

cfrankie

[quote:e278d123e5="yvicky"][quote:e278d123e5="cfrankie"]cowen:你仲去釣魚舖宣傳. 荒死人地唔知 d tern 返晒黎(你要知道釣魚人士比你們更知燕鷗在那裏...香港以外也知)
ssammy:我仍然覺得親眼見比睇相片更能感愛到大自然的可貴!
你們一個想唔比人知.一個又好想人親眼見...??唔比人知又點比人親眼見啊?[/quote]

to cfrankie: 難道你睇唔出佢地2個人講o個2句野的分別?? 你睇唔出不如等我話你知啦:
唔俾人知.... 係唔想俾d有可能&有機會影響到燕鷗o既人知
俾人親眼見.... 係俾d對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人親眼見....
如果而家咁解釋你明唔明點解佢地2個人講o既野唔同但係冇矛盾呢?[/quote]
to yvicky
通常有機會影響到燕鷗o既人都會知
對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)

yvicky

[quote:0186015739="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...

yvicky

[quote:1ffef4630e="cfrankie"]

通常有機會影響到燕鷗o既人都會知
[/quote]

呢樣我都好認同.... 尤其是提出/提倡/鼓吹專登島那班人....都會知....

[quote:1ffef4630e="cfrankie"]
對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見....[/quote]

我覺得某程度上是對的....因為這是 "通常有機會影響到燕鷗o既人" 知道後的結果....

呀.... 想不到cfrankie都頗有先見之明.....

cfrankie

[quote:6338afae77="yvicky"][quote:6338afae77="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知!

cjacky

其實大家都明白不登島活動希望各影友明白, 不登島亦可拍到好相片. 亦希望大家知道登島對燕鷗既影響.  所以支持不登島並無不對呀. 支持吓啦.

你可以想像到, 野生既成年既燕鷗會飛, 有能力避開人類.  最多離開果個島去另一地方breeding/ 找吃.  但是那些幼鳥又怎樣, 只會驚慌地走開, 最壞既情況係跌左落海. 沖左去.

希望各釣友, 影友唔好登上有燕鷗繁殖既小島啦.

深藍-Owen

[quote:eef1875de3="cfrankie"][quote:eef1875de3="yvicky"][quote:eef1875de3="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :

深藍-Owen

[quote:e54db8d0b4="tbob"]Thanks Owen,

As a member of the Hong Kong Bird Watching Society, which runs this BBS, my concerns are always for the reputation of the Society.

I have stated publicly before and I still believe posting on the site should be for members only but with the general public having access to viewing the site.[/quote]

understand your concern Bob, but not much non-members registered to this forum since it open till now.  And fyi there is no non-members in this post/threads joining the discussion yet.  :wink:

Owen

kmatthew

With all these debating going on, I have to say, that there will always be people on this earth that takes the nartural world for granted. They won't think about conserving the natural resources and wildlife on earth as important, as they don't think it matters.

Frankie, I have heard stories about non HKBWS members complaining about HKBWS members telling them off. for example like some one being too loud or some one have their camera lens stuck out of the bird hides etc. But terns breeding site have always been a very controversial subject, it is well known that disturbance by human can cause terns to abandon their chicks. So we should all becareful on who we tell about the terns islands, because if the information get into the hands of people who will disturb the terns just to take good photos, it will be too late to stop.

So, why the HKBWS told your friends off were not to just find some one to blame on! It was for the sake of the terns! As there are so many proofs now to suggest that human activities will reduce the number of breeding terns, as we can all see, the number of terns are dropping in a significant amount!

If the breeding terns population continues to drop because of people who just want to take photos disturbs the colonies, this act should be stop!This is why we are trying our best to educate citizens of Hong Kong that we should have respect for the natural environment! This is also a part of sustainable development and green tourism.

So Frankie, if the acts of HKBWS members telling people off offends you, I am very sorry, but sometimes this is what needs to be done. Not saying I agree that people uses the name of HKBWS to tell people off, but sometimes when we see someone going over the top, it is our responsibility to try and stop those acts immediately!

cfrankie

[quote:f7ce0af50a="cowen"][quote:f7ce0af50a="cfrankie"][quote:f7ce0af50a="yvicky"][quote:f7ce0af50a="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)

[hr]
I don't want to teach you anything ... because people with Y (crooked?) ideas don't come together ... especially those who wear two faces.

Now that you know I have taken part in the Society activities it's easier to explain... why I still visit tern islands?  Think about whats wrong on you part.

"It's strange - hard to imagine the Society would telephone to scold anyone.  We don't have the authority or necessity" (by Owen) - So you always do things that upset people in the name of the Society... you get the opposite effect ... perhaps the Society don't even know.

Translated by Moderator

深藍-Owen

[quote:7eefd80b7e="cfrankie"][quote:7eefd80b7e="cowen"][quote:7eefd80b7e="cfrankie"][quote:7eefd80b7e="yvicky"][quote:7eefd80b7e="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

反省甚麼? 你所指"你們"是誰? 這個"你們"甚麼時後用過鳥會名義做過甚麼事令你心靈受傷害 ? 請詳之.  不要亂說. 要有證據噢~!

深藍-Owen

[quote:7c0dfcff9a="cfrankie"][quote:7c0dfcff9a="cowen"][quote:7c0dfcff9a="cfrankie"][quote:7c0dfcff9a="yvicky"][quote:7c0dfcff9a="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

"你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????"
不用廣東話不能夠表達我的疑惑. 你夠竟講緊乜呀?

cfrankie

[quote:5758347b86="cowen"][quote:5758347b86="cfrankie"][quote:5758347b86="cowen"][quote:5758347b86="cfrankie"][quote:5758347b86="yvicky"][quote:5758347b86="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

"你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????"
不用廣東話不能夠表達我的疑惑. 你夠竟講緊乜呀?[/quote]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別

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You don't understand ... look at the photos posted at the Terns sub-forum ... how many of those better ones were taken during the Society's outings.  All are extensively cropped.  Photos with no cropping appear only once in a while. .. You always see birds as small as a grain at Society outings... no different from not going.

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深藍-Owen

[quote:72ebbca161="cfrankie"][quote:72ebbca161="cowen"][quote:72ebbca161="cfrankie"][quote:72ebbca161="cowen"][quote:72ebbca161="cfrankie"][quote:72ebbca161="yvicky"][quote:72ebbca161="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

"你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????"
不用廣東話不能夠表達我的疑惑. 你夠竟講緊乜呀?[/quote]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別[/quote]

噢.. 明晒. 原來又係嫌影得唔靚.  :  :  : 明喇..!!! 掂呀~!

lyukpong

[quote:8fef71557b="cfrankie"]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別[/quote]
難道影得不夠好就是你不支持 " 不登島 " 的原因 ?
太可怕了 .........

AC07

Quote:

你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別

說到底就是要靚相, 不理一切...  :cry:

cfrankie

[quote:f00d0cd970="cowen"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"][quote:f00d0cd970="cowen"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"][quote:f00d0cd970="cowen"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"][quote:f00d0cd970="yvicky"][quote:f00d0cd970="cfrankie"]
(E樣嘢就多得你地)[/quote]

這句我真的不懂.... 請闡釋之.... 願聞其詳...[/quote]
不懂:我講你知!!因為有一年有一位朋友帶我去睇燕鷗..後來又有另一班人又去...錦你們就致電罵我的朋友...但我不知你們為可罵他..他根本都唔知燕鷗島在什麼地方.求其找個人罵..而對另一班人來說...他們此要出碼頭就會有很多船家車佢地出去..所以我一直對你們的做事方式很不滿...為可要由你們決定人的好與不好...你們點知人們想什麼..為可要你們決定那些人去得睇...那些人不去得...就是這朋友的事件...我就知你們的做事有幾冇知![/quote]

這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要. 以我所知鳥會一向奉行教育為先. 並不主將懲罰. 希望詳細說清楚.

其他的例如盡量把地點保密. 讓後代有機會親眼目睹等. 相信大部份觀鳥會會員也明白個中道理. 不需多加解釋. 你要強詞奪理把兩樣東西拉起來講我也沒你辦法.

至於你所指 "對雀鳥對燕鷗有興趣o既人大多都冇機會親眼見.... (E樣嘢就多得你地)"  

記憶中你很像也參加過鳥會的活動. 我所知鳥會的活動雖則是會員優先. 但仍然是公開給與公眾人仕參加. 包括每年燕鷗節的活動. 有心的絕對可以找到途徑. 你這樣的指控似乎流於太武斷吧.

btw. 你還未說說你的 GPS 大計究竟是作何用途. 由我第一個回覆到現在也不見閣下回答. 卻把船撐到出外海了. 就算要請槍. 也應該問到了吧.  :[/quote]
我唔想教你任何事...因為有Y思想的人不相接近..尤其双面人
你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????
這事件好離奇. 有點匪疑所思. 好難想像鳥會會主動打電話去責罵人. 因為沒有這樣的權力也沒有這樣的必要(所以你們常背着鳥會之名..做的事常使人反感..巧果變得相反..可能鳥會也不知)[/quote]

"你知道我參加過鳥會的活動就好辦..為何我還要去?自己反省下????"
不用廣東話不能夠表達我的疑惑. 你夠竟講緊乜呀?[/quote]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別[/quote]

噢.. 明晒. 原來又係嫌影得唔靚.  :  :  : 明喇..!!! 掂呀~![/quote]
你記住‘我不是紀綠員..但係你地D出名做紀綠的...就偏偏做小左五隻,,唔好問我係咩?我唔會答双面人.

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Owen: Oh! I see it now.  You are not satisfied with the photos. :  :  : Very clear !!! Good ~!

Remember: "I am not a record keeper, but the the one who is famous for keeping records has counted 5 birds less.  Don't ask me what it is? I won't reply to two-faces".

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cfrankie

[quote:e1e1130656="lyukpong"][quote:e1e1130656="cfrankie"]
你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別[/quote]
難道影得不夠好就是你不支持 " 不登島 " 的原因 ?
太可怕了 .........[/quote]
原來你覺得上島先有好相..話左冇知就真係冇知!!!!

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lyukpong: You don't support "No landing" because you can't get good photos?  It's appalling ....

So you think that good photos can only be taken by landing on the islands ... so naive!!!!


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cfrankie

[quote:eb9cf5ba22="cAndy"]

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你唔明...你睇睇燕鷗版D相..影得好小小果D有幾多個係跟鳥會的活動影.全部Big Crop冇Crop就意外一兩次...鳥會的活動次次見D位都好似粒米錦...同冇去冇分別

說到底就是要靚相, 不理一切...  :cry:[/quote]

為什麽你們覺影到好相就是...不理一切.的人 :小朋友就是小朋友
以上三個post就是你們對我們的態度...你們明啦

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cAndy: To sum up - taking good photos at all costs ... :cry:

Why you think that people who take good photos are inconsiderate - kids remain kids
The above three posts show how you look at us ... understand

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深藍-Owen

Quote:

你記住‘我不是紀綠員..但係你地D出名做紀綠的...就偏偏做小左五隻,,唔好問我係咩?我唔會答双面人.

請問有沒有繁體中文翻譯繁體中文的網址?   :shock:  :shock:

cfion

對不起, 要在這個熱烈的討論中加一把咀了...

看這些帖子, 開始覺大家加添了一點人身攻擊的成份了...大家都是觀鳥會的會員, 會員間的尊重是少不得的呵!  :wink:

其實說到"保育"工作, 最重要的是一顆心. 既然大家當初選擇加入觀鳥會, 選擇成為這個組織的一份子, 相信大家都是支持鳥會的宗旨的. 還記得鳥會的宗旨是什麼嗎?

1. 推廣鳥類學研究，以瞭解鳥類的生態
2. 提倡欣賞及認識雀鳥
3. 推廣鳥類、野生動物及自然生態的保育
4. 推廣遵守保護鳥類的法例，特別是野生動物保護條例

"公說公有理, 婆說婆有理", 最終只會爭持不下.
冷靜下來後, 想一想觀鳥會的宗旨, 再想一想當初為何對雀鳥著迷, 便會發現"雀鳥的幸福"才是一切. 對雀鳥來說, 牠們只想在這不斷發展的城市裡找一個安樂窩.

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Sorry, I want to interrupt the hot discussion...

Some of these posts seems to be getting personal ... afterall, there should be mutual respect among all HKBWS members :wink:

The most important thing about bird conservation is our heart.  As members of the Society, I believe we are all in support of the Society's objectives.  Can you recall what they are?

1.  Promote the study of birds to understand their ecology
2.  Promote the enjoyment and understanding of birds
3.  Promote the conservation of birds, wild life and nature
4.  Promote the observation of laws on bird protection, especially the Protection of Wild Animals Ordinance

If everyone insists on his / her own point, the result will be a deadlock.

Cool down.  Think about the Society's objectives.  Then think about why you become interested in birds.  You will find that "welfare of the birds" is most important.  To them, they are just trying to find a home in this ever-developing city.

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mkoren

Thank you to the Moderator for the translations.

I must admit that I find it quite shocking that anyone would put the birds welfare in danger just for the sake of taking some photos. The whole point of the HKBWS is to study, observe and preserve the birds. Who cares if it isn't possible to take a close-up photo! The welfare of the birds should come before the desire to take photos, or even the desire to get a close-up view. If all you can see is a small image through the binoculars, well, that's good enough for me if it means that the birds are undisturbed at their nests.

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謝謝管理員翻譯。

有人為了拍幾張照片而威脅到雀鳥的福利（安全、健康地正常生活），實在令我感到震驚。
成立香港觀鳥會的目的，是要研究、觀察和保育鳥類，誰會介意拍不到近攝照！
鳥類的福利應該放在最高位置，比拍照的意欲優先，或甚至比近距離觀察的意欲優先。
只要不干擾到巢中的鳥，就算只能從雙筒望遠鏡中見到小小的一點，對我來說已經足夠。

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cfrankie

[quote:610dacde41="mkoren"]Thank you to the Moderator for the translations.

I must admit that I find it quite shocking that anyone would put the birds welfare in danger just for the sake of taking some photos. The whole point of the HKBWS is to study, observe and preserve the birds. Who cares if it isn't possible to take a close-up photo! The welfare of the birds should come before the desire to take photos, or even the desire to get a close-up view. If all you can see is a small image through the binoculars, well, that's good enough for me if it means that the birds are undisturbed at their nests.

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謝謝管理員翻譯。

有人為了拍幾張照片而威脅到雀鳥的福利（安全、健康地正常生活），實在令我感到震驚。
成立香港觀鳥會的目的，是要研究、觀察和保育鳥類，誰會介意拍不到近攝照！
鳥類的福利應該放在最高位置，比拍照的意欲優先，或甚至比近距離觀察的意欲優先。
只要不干擾到巢中的鳥，就算只能從雙筒望遠鏡中見到小小的一點，對我來說已經足夠。

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我想問(有人)是指誰?

我同意成立香港觀鳥會的目的，是要研究、觀察和保育鳥類，誰會介意拍不到近攝照！
鳥類的福利應該放在最高位置，比拍照的意欲優先，或甚至比近距離觀察的意欲優先。

但是未清楚或唔明人們什樣拍攝或未到其他人的拍攝技巧..就說三導四..實在有點那過..

你們的立詳我以很清色不要再說:
就是可能全世界生態攝影師拍得好相片的都是破壞同不會愛護生態
這個信息我發放給我所有世界各地的朋友知...因為他們很有代表性...信息來自香一些人..
我不會再答..算把啦!!

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I would like to ask who is this "anyone"?

I agree that "the whole point of the HKBWS is to study, observe and preserve the birds. Who cares if it isn't possible to take a close-up photo! The welfare of the birds should come before the desire to take photos, or even the desire to get a close-up view."

However, it seems inappropriate to make comments before knowing or understaning how people take photos, or before attaining other people's level of photographic skill.

There is no need to state your position again - I am very clear about that :
That perhaps all wildlife photographers in the world who can take good photos would damage and would not value the environment,

I will tell all my friends all over the world - they are representative (of ?) - and that the message comes from some people in Hong Kong.

I won't respond again.  That's it!!

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cfrankie

[quote:3d51fa2aa5="cfrankie"]Sorry Delete all[/quote]
一些人,,,真的好可害,未得本人同意就同我改標題,,,果然係好愛抹黑一些事的人..這樣做法..會使人以為我是提出討論的人...果然真係愛玩白夑克的人,,,鳥會有這些人在實在可怕....你自已以証嗚了...不要再話係我改

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Some people are really ??? - changing the title of this post without getting my agreement.  So they truly like to make things look bad..  Such act makes people think it was me who started the discussion... So they like to change white into black,,, It's scary to have such people in the Society ... You yourself is the evidence ... don't say it's me who changed it

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butter

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Original posted by 深藍-Owen at 1/08/2007 17:55
[quote:e54db8d0b4="tbob"]...As a member of the Hong Kong Bird Watching Society, which runs this BBS, my concerns are always for the reputation of the Society.
I have stated publicly befor ...

hmm... I'm a non-member who just registered with this forum.
I've been doing kayak birding lately, this may be a better way to watch the seabirds without disturbing them that much  ... every now and then, I've come across people landing on those islands where terns are breeding ... some hiking groups even organised cruise to visit there ... you may find photos (in hiking books) they took near the man-made nests ... alas!
actually, during my latest trips in spring, they've been seen flying in areas (not to be disclosed) close to human dwellings (over the sea/not on land) with busy marine traffic ...

BWA

Since 2003 Hiking Groups in Hong Kong, especially the commercial ones, have become aware of the problem of disturbance.  They have refrained from landing on tern islands during the breeding season.

In 2007 there was a hot debate about landing on tern islands to take photos.  This very thread was raised by one of the photograhpers involved.  That has already cooled down, as least as far as I am aware.

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/view ... &extra=page%3D5


In recent years the disturbance come mainly from holiday fishermen, who generally are not aware of the devastating impact they could made on a colony.

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/view ... &extra=page%3D1

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/view ... &extra=page%3D1

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/view ... &extra=page%3D1

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/view ... &extra=page%3D2

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/view ... &extra=page%3D2