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Subject: Opinion Poll on Bird Photography Practices　鳥類攝影守則意見調查 [Print This Page]
Author: BWA    Time: 23/01/2007 23:02     Subject: Opinion Poll on Bird Photography Practices　鳥類攝影守則意見調查

The recent incident reported by member leling at this Forum has brought up some concerns about practices in bird photography.  At the same time I was also asked by the Chairman to collect comments on Martin Hale’s draft Code of Conduct for Bird Photography.  So it seems to be a good time to have more discussions on the subject here.

No one would argue against minimizing disturbances to birds.  However the use of flash and tape recording are somewhat controversial.  To get some idea of the general view, I would like to run an opinion poll here in the Bird Photography section.  Hopefully this should also facilitate discussion and understanding among members regarding the issues.  A draft of the questions is given below for your comments.  Suggestions and opinions are welcome.

The poll would be started in 1 week and only members of the HKBWS will be allowed to vote.  The latest results can be viewed by all in real time.

Alan Chan


Poll Questions

Q1 About the use of flash
1. Do not use any flash at all
2. Avoid using flash, stop immediately if the subject appears disturbed
3. As 2 above, and as fill flash only
4. Use freely anytime anywhere

Q2 How should information about locations of rarities and active nest sites be revealed?
1. Announce it in public
2. Share only with persons you trust in private
3. Do not share with anyone

Q3 Should bait be used to lure birds?
1. No
2. To be avoided
3. No restriction
4. No need to mention in the code

Q4 Should tape recordings be used to lure birds?
1. No
2. To be avoided
3. No restriction
4. No need to mention in the code

Q5 On taking photos of active nest sites
1. Do not mention in the code, to avoid attracting unwanted attention
2. Do not take photos of active nests
3. Avoid taking photos of active nests
4. Only for serious scientific studies or conservation purpose
5. Only without the subject's knowledge, and stop immediately if the subject begins to notice
6. As long as the subject is not disturbed, and stop immediately if it is no longer so
7. Take precautions not to reveal the nest site to predators or attract passers-by

Options for Q5
1
2
3, 5 & 7
3, 6 & 7
4, 5 & 7
4, 6 & 7

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最近鳥友leling 在這個討論區報告了一則頗為不愉快的事件，帶出了一些關於鳥類攝影的問題。剛巧主席又請我收集會員對 Martin Hale 草擬的《鳥類攝影守則》的意見，因此現值得我們在這裡更深入地討論相關問題。

沒有人會對避免干擾雀鳥有異議，不過對於是否應該使用閃光燈和鳥鳴錄音，則似乎有一些不同看法。為了徵詢大家的意向，我計劃在這個討論區的「野鳥攝影」專區發起一項意見調查，同時也希望可以鼓勵大家更積極地討論，促進互相了解。以下附上問卷草稿供，歡迎各位提出意見。

調查將在一週後開始，只供香港觀鳥會會員投票，最新的調查結果可在這裡看到。

陳慶麟

問題

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
1.　任何時候都不應使用
2.　應儘量避免，如果雀鳥看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
3.　第2項，並且只用來補光
4.　隨時隨地都可以用，沒有任何限制

Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
1.　公開宣佈
2.　私下和信任的人分享
3.　完全不和人分享

Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該
2.　儘量避免       
3.　沒有限制
4.　不必在守則中說明

Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該
2.　儘量避免       
3.　沒有限制
4.　不必在守則中說明

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
1.　不在守則中說明，以免不必要地引起其他人的興趣
2.　不應拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點
3.　少拍為妙
4.　只可用於正式的科學研究或保育工作
5.　只可在對象不知道的情況下進行，一旦被拍攝對象發現便要馬上停止
6.　只可在對象不受干擾的情況下進行，一旦對象看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
7.　小心進行，以防巢位被天敵發現或招惹閒人

Q5 的答案選擇
1
2
3, 5 及 7
3, 6 及 7
4, 5 及 7
4, 6 及 7
Author: tmichael    Time: 23/01/2007 23:21

Well done, Alan, and anyone else who has been involved, for drafting a wide-ranging questionnaire, which allows people to put forward a wide spectrum of opinions, yet allows those opinions to be quantified.

Look forward to completing it, and then seeing the results.

Mike Turnbull
Author: Hendrix    Time: 23/01/2007 23:47

Poll Questions

Q1 About the use of flash

2. Avoid using flash, stop immediately if the subject appears disturbed
3. As 2 above, and as fill flash only


Q2 How should information about locations of rarities and active nest sites be reveals?

2. Share only with persons you trust in private


Q3 Should bait be used to lure birds?

2. To be avoided


Q4 Should tape recordings be used to lure birds?

2. To be avoided


Q5 On taking photos of active nest sites

5. Only without the subject's knowledge, and stop immediately if the subject begins to notice
6. As long as the subject is not disturbed, and stop immediately if it is no longer so
7. Take precautions not to reveal the nest site to predators or attract passers-by
Author: cfrankie    Time: 24/01/2007 01:02

你們終於明白...教育同引導的重要性...而不是到處影人相...是好開始 :  :
Author: cfrankie    Time: 24/01/2007 01:16

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
2.　應儘量避免，如果雀鳥看來受到干擾便要馬上停止

Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
2.　私下和信任的人分享
但最好例明那些是稀有雀鳥....以免出錯


Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
2.　儘量避免
但唔用它不不出來...又有什麼辦法...這又要你們教育 ..
...
Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
4.　不必在守則中說明

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
6.　只可在對象不受干擾的情況下進行，一旦對象看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
7.　小心進行，以防巢位被天敵發現或招惹閒人
但想用鳥營可以在米埔嗎?唔比用又什樣不受干擾...最好教育大家技巧
Author: cfrankie    Time: 24/01/2007 01:35

比個意見大家...當有人出稀有雀鳥相的時候...最好版主同佢加番幾句..不可用閃燈或其他字句...以免誤會....如出左ED字句都有人做...我相信大家見到都會出聲 ops:
Author: lpanglai    Time: 24/01/2007 01:42     Subject: 問題

我覺得應該是  鳥類攝影溫馨提示  比較貼切一點.

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
2.　應儘量避免，如果雀鳥看來受到干擾便要馬上停止

Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
2.　私下和信任的人分享

Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
2.　儘量避免  

Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
2.　儘量避免

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
6.　只可在對象不受干擾的情況下進行，一旦對象看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
7.　小心進行，以防巢位被天敵發現或招惹閒人
Author: cfrankie    Time: 24/01/2007 03:07

但我又有嘢想問...這些入廟拜神的守則...若果不是鳥會會員...就可以不理會...所以你們是否要教育全香港市民知道...或出電視廣告...一些不是鳥會會員也會影雀....他們完全唔知這些守則..也有人權問題?
Author: eling    Time: 24/01/2007 11:21

[quote:af298f07e7="cfrankie"]你們終於明白...教育同引導的重要性...而不是到處影人相...是好開始 :  :[/quote]

對唔住你又睇錯，我係影緊隻雀(see the focus point)，但係真係距離太遠，結果影埋"閃雀人"！

by the way, just a friendly reminder "真正"觀鳥的人一雙望遠鏡是少不了的，咁先可以睇真Ｄ，唔係靠估亂咁講。唔知你添置咗未？ :roll:
Author: yjoe    Time: 24/01/2007 11:40

我認為這是『鳥人約章』，靠自律．要守得自願．

鳥會會員若不自律，又如何勸籲公眾？


Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
唔明白，
香港法例不是　不准餵飼野生雀鳥嗎？
誘來的鳥算是自然活動？
有違觀鳥會的目的喎．



”但唔用它不不出來...又有什麼辦法...這又要你們教育 .. ”
更不明白．
他不願出來，就不影囉．佢又不是公眾人物，和公眾利益又無關．
大自然生物生存的目的是繁衍，不是讓人拍照．遲到或唔到不須要解釋的．

初時，等不到鳥時，我心常想，買隻假鳥，放在那裡，狂影，狂閃不就成嗎？
後來發現，越難得的鳥照，才值得保留，值得珍惜．



所以．．．
Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
禁止！

這和吊鳥嚇雀的行為大同小異．

再者，若引鳥風行，
到時不是　鳥攝，不是 打雀， 是  釣鳥．

放生活動不是為宗教，
是為拍鳥．

或者，到時香港鳥種多的是．




我想加多幾條：

１．若同儕不遵守約章，相片比自己的好，你是否處之泰然，堅守約章？

２．在條件適當時，是否願意向朋友宣傳和解釋約章．

３．你會視鳥為
　　a.朋友，
　　b.應受保護的生物，
　　c.野放的寵物，
    d.免費Model.
　　e.一些隨便可供拍攝的物件．

４．若發現太多鳥人同時向同一鳥拍攝時，
　　你是否願意守秩序，讓別人先拍．和拍了幾張便慢慢退下，讓後來者拍？
    （當然指那些不怕人的鳥）

５．你會一直拍到鳥飛走才離開，還是拍罷了，等鳥自然離開後才離開？
　　（其實這不是為鳥，然是為鳥人的，鳥有翼，不喜歡便走．無所謂．
　　　受驚嚇太多的鳥，越不願接近人，讓鳥人拍照．
　　　未受驚嚇過的，往往可近在咫尺）

我覺得鳥人的『攝影技巧』，或多或少是受 famous photographers 和　同儕的風格，甚至外國的網站所影響．強調的都是作品質素．
不知鳥會的方針是？

加上大多學習攝影時，都是從拍攝女模，追星開始，flash 便是他們的生活，指定動作，flash 不離機．
這也不是一下子改變得來．

攝影教的是控制光源．

鳥攝應強調　人鳥和諧．


其實，在鳥攝來說，fill-in flash 不應是初學者的技巧，要做到不驚嚇鳥兒不是容易．
請不要說我閃完，牠也不走便成．鳥被強光一閃，眼前一黑，那敢高飛．只有等一下，傻傻看，待看清前路，才會遠走高飛．不過，牠會記著長鏡頭和閃燈頭．

希望大家可以挑戰自己的技術，不用flash 也拍到 好作品．
我欣賞owen,何生和很多沒用flash的作品．因為比用flash 的  難得多多聲  而又自然．

題外話：鳥攝比賽應加入有否用閃燈的因素，否則，對堅持不用閃燈的朋友不公評．
亦構成用flash的誘因．尤其在陰天的日子．


我反對強閃，對鳥無益，於己無用．亦抹殺　鳥人們　的觀鳥機會．

但不是絕對地反對fill-in flash，
不過，請先學習和鳥遘通，找植物為目標，多多學習，才試吧，
這是對　鳥人們　的禮貌．

對鳥！？無所謂啦，他們不喜歡就飛．以後見到閃燈鏡頭都會閃o架喇．
Author: Siudidi    Time: 24/01/2007 13:26

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
1.　任何時候都不應使用

Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
2.　私下和信任的人分享

Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該

Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
1.　不在守則中說明，以免不必要地引起其他人的興趣
2.　不應拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點
3.　少拍為妙
4.　只可用於正式的科學研究或保育工作
5.　只可在對象不知道的情況下進行，一旦被拍攝對象發現便要馬上停止
6.　只可在對象不受干擾的情況下進行，一旦對象看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
7.　小心進行，以防巢位被天敵發現或招惹閒人
Author: handrew    Time: 24/01/2007 19:48

For this to have any sort of validity you need to decide what sort of participation rate would constitute a meaningful and representative quorum.  You then need to determine what to do if there are no clear preferences. I suspect that the most controversial areas will be suppression of information and the use of tapes. Tapes are clearly unacceptable in the case of birds holding territory and/or at risk of deserting a nest but arguably they do little harm luring birds out of deep vegetation during the non-breeding season. I have seen many a respected bird tour leader use tape lures regularly and effectively with no apparent distress to the birds. A one-size fits all resolution against some or all of these points probably seems fine at the time but the reality is there are always grey areas. What you need is a commonsense approach that is not overly prescriptive. Self-regulation is the best policy and in public places if the photographers are not members of WWF or HKBWS what sanctions would you bring against people. Hopefully members of respected organisations understand the issues and act appropriately. I feel this is a sensible debate to have but I fear decisions will be taken in the heat of an emotive situation that will subsequently prove a) unenforceable and b) unduly onerous. My strong preference would be self-policing.
Author: cjacky    Time: 24/01/2007 22:48

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
Ans : 3. 第2項，並且只用來補光


Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
Ans : 2.　私下和信任的人分享


Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
Ans : 1.　不應該


Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
Ans : 1.　不應該

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
Ans :
1.　不在守則中說明，以免不必要地引起其他人的興趣
3.　少拍為妙
5.　只可在對象不知道的情況下進行，一旦被拍攝對象發現便要馬上停止
6.　只可在對象不受干擾的情況下進行，一旦對象看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
7.　小心進行，以防巢位被天敵發現或招惹閒人
Author: sammysam    Time: 24/01/2007 22:59     Subject: Re: Opinion Poll on Bird Photography Practices　鳥類攝影守則意見調查

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
2.　應儘量避免，如果雀鳥看來受到干擾便要馬上停止
3.　第2項，並且只用來補光


Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
2.　私下和信任的人分享


Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該

Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
3.　少拍為妙
5.　只可在對象不知道的情況下進行，一旦被拍攝對象發現便要馬上停止
7.　小心進行，以防巢位被天敵發現或招惹閒人
Author: BWA    Time: 24/01/2007 23:15

It is good to see so many responses to this thread.
The purpose of the poll is to show how members generally feel about these controversial issues.  The results will be used as a reference in drawing up the code, but by themselves are not meant to decide the final outcome.

I will add the following 2 questions to the coming poll:

Q6 What kind of code or guidelines do the Society need?

1. None at all.
2. Minimum rules that must be observed by all HKBWS members
3. Recommended good practices that members may choose to follow at their discretion
4. As option 2, and also for reference by the general public
5. As option 3, and also for reference by the general public

Options for Q6
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 2&3, 4&5


Q7 What kind of sanction is appropriate for violators?

1. No, self discipline and social pressure would be adequate.
2. Violator’s photos will not be used by the Society or allowed to be shown in this forum
3. HKBWS membership will be revoked for serious violators
Options for Q7
1, 2, 2&3

There were some discussions on the use of flash in the old BBS and elsewhere:

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Discussion;action=display;num=1092857493
http://photo.net/photo/nature/owlflash
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=009zcA
http://www.naturescapes.net/042004/do0404.htm

Different people may have their own definition of what are or are not acceptable, perhaps because they have different assumptions about the effect of flash on birds, and the relative importance they place between bird and photos.  The same probably applies to the use of tape recording.  I would like to see more scientific studies to settle these issues.


Alan Chan

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很高興收到那麼多的回應。

進行意見調查的目的，是希望讓大家了解其他鳥友的一般看法，調查結果也會給守則提供參考，不過守則並非單由這些結果決定。

我會在調查中加入以下兩條問題：

Q6　本會需要怎麼樣的守則或指引？
1.　甚麼也不需要
2.　所有會員均需遵守的最低限度守則
3.  一些良好做法，供會員自行決定是否依從
4.　如第2 項，同時可給公眾作為參考
5.　如第3項，同時可給公眾作為參考

Q6 答案選擇
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 2&3, 4&5


Q7　如果會員違反守則或指引，應有甚麼罰則？
1.　沒有，自律和群眾壓力已經足夠
2.　違者的照片將不會被本會使用，也不准在此討論區發表
3.　嚴重違反守則／指引者會被開除會籍

Q7 答案選擇
1, 2, 3, 2&3


以前的新聞組和其他地方曾有過關於閃光燈的討論：

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Discussion;action=display;num=1092857493
http://photo.net/photo/nature/owlflash
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=009zcA
http://www.naturescapes.net/042004/do0404.htm

各人對使用閃光燈有不同的標準，很可能是因為他們認為閃光燈對雀鳥有不同程度的影響，以及將鳥和照片的相對比重，這對使用鳥鳴錄音亦同樣適用。希望日後有更多的科學研究可以給我們提供答案。

陳慶麟
Author: Hendrix    Time: 25/01/2007 01:32

the one use on dchome

http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=190835&extra=page%3D1
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1、應重視被拍攝野鳥的自然生態習性， 不公佈詳細鳥點，保護野鳥安全及避免過多干擾。

2、拍攝時應維持自然狀態，不使野鳥暴露在掠食者、人類或惡劣環境下。
放鳥音、餵食、修剪過的巢位、籠養、任何輔助光源（探照燈、車燈、閃燈...）的鳥類照片多少對鳥有影響，可免則免。

3、稀有鳥種攝影作品之發錶，勿透漏詳細拍攝地點。 (為了避免引起鳥販的註意)

4、應慎重拍攝鳥巢；禁止拍攝繁殖中的稀有保育鳥類。 (避免親鳥棄巢)
巢位裡的育雛照片拍攝請小心謹慎，若無充分瞭解及準備，請勿輕易嘗試拍攝。每年三月到八月請勿張貼巢位育雛照片。（若是三到八月份以外時間繁殖的鳥種，也請待幼鳥成功離巢後再張貼照片） 。

5、拍攝者及裝備應適當偽裝、掩蔽並保持距離。 等鳥比追鳥更能拍到 近又大隻自然的鳥

6、慎重使用閃光燈。就算拍林鳥也避免頻閃。
關於夜行性猛禽的照片，我們理解夜間使用輔助光源的必需性，但我們還是希望不要有使用人工光源的照片出現在網站裡。因為使用人工光源，對習慣黑暗的夜行性猛禽來說還是一種干擾。讓這樣的照片出現，很可能鼓勵、誘使更多人在短時間內去找同一隻夜行性猛禽拍照，而發生過度干擾的狀況。

使用鳥音誘鳥拍照與巢位育雛照片，也是同樣的道理。我們希望只要是使用『可能引起過度干擾』的方法拍照，應該要盡量降低干擾的頻率與時間，並避免短時間內多次或多人去使用之。有鑑於網路傳播的速度與強度日益增加，我們希望網路上張貼的鳥類照片，不要反成為野鳥被過度干擾的原因之一。

7 , 不要在等鳥時高聲談話，吸煙, 關閉手提電話響鬧聲。
前往躲藏點時留意是否已有人在躲藏，盡量等沒鳥時才進入，避免嚇走別人已在拍／觀的鳥。

除了“人工光源“外，上面各點都大都是蝴蝶攝影應注意的。
Author: tbob    Time: 25/01/2007 06:19

Some more websites on flash photography

http://photo.net/learn/nature/owlflash
http://www.dmcphoto.com/Articles/Flash/index.html

PS: I have just noticed that both these websites were refered to on the old HKBWS BBS - sorry for double posting
Author: mkoren    Time: 25/01/2007 09:10

I would like to suggest an additional option for Q2:

Share with other members of HKBWS, either on request, via the HKBWS office or the web site

This, to me, is an intermediate step between making information public (ie to non-members) and keeping it only between a few friends so that others who are less 'well-connected' may miss out.

I can see that there may be different ways of letting people know about different sightings. The location of a nesting rarity is more sensitive than a bird that is rare in HK but may be more common elsewhere (such as a great crested grebe).

The recent incident that sparked this discussion seems to me to be not just about disturbing the bird (which is obviously undesirable) but about the fact that some people were disappointed that they didn't get to see the bird. When there are lots of birders and photographers going to see one bird, maybe it will get scared away before some people get to see it. It's not nice if someone does it deliberately, but I doubt that any code of practice will stop rudeness.

Cheers, Koren
Author: lharry    Time: 25/01/2007 11:41

I believe that now 99% of the photographers taking part in the wildlife photog are good hearted and just trying to appreciate the nature with their cameras.  The population of this group of amateur photograhpers are growing in a faster way than everyone expected.  But also most of the people are practising their own way.

Instead of formulating all these code of conducts which is bored and means nothing to most of the people who don't even join HKBWS.  Even they are members like me, I still have to figure out how to do the bird photography myself.  

In our old chinese wisdom, "Good Apprentices are from good Masters".

If HKBWS organise "Bird Photography Skills Workshop" by inviting successful photographers to share their experience, I am sure the class will be very popular and you have a good chance to tell the public about the proper practice to keep a good successful rate in good photos whereas keeping the welfare of the birds in the first priority.  So a good Master can spread the good techniques to apprentices and apprentices can spread among apprentices.

Just my little cents.
Author: tbob    Time: 25/01/2007 12:32

I would like to support all that Harry has said.

A series of open Master Classes on Bird & Wildlife photography would not only be well attended by all camera clubs throughout HK but it would the ideal chance for the society to spread the message  & points we are trying to convey in the Code of practice.

Bob
Author: puppymic    Time: 25/01/2007 23:21

I agree that we should teach or tell the public the correct way to treat the wildlife.
Author: hmartin    Time: 27/01/2007 07:28

One of the first questions that needs to be answered here is what level of disturbance to birds (be it from tapes, flash, baiting etc) is acceptable? Most will probably answer as little as possible, but as a starting point we have to accept that both birding and bird photography do inevitably cause disturbance to birds. And, since a photographer almost always needs to get closer than a birder, photographers usually cause more disturbance. In some countries with a mature birding scene, photographers as a group end up being despised by birders for this reason alone. Whilst I appreciate that this isn't the case in Hong Kong, I'm not sure that drawing up a guideline for photographers, based on the weight of votes from birders, who have different requirements and sensitivites, is the way to go.

That said, what is "disturbance", and when does it matter? To me, disturbance is evident when a bird stops what it would otherwise be doing, i.e. feeding, to look at a birder/photographer. The bird may resume what it was doing, either immediately or after moving a short distance away, or may flush and fly some distance before resuming it's previous behaviour. At this level I don't think the disturbance matters, and indeed the birder/photographer concerned may not even have been aware of the birds presence. What does matter, is when the action of causing the bird to modify it's behaviour becomes deliberate and occurs repeatedly. Disturbance has now become harrassment, and it's for this situation that I believe a code of conduct is needed, with suitable sanctions (of which more later).

However, I think that disturbance/harrassment is not a black and white subject. For example, should species which are abundent in Hong Kong receive the same degree of protection as rarites which are globally endangered? Is tape luring and food baiting a Tree Sparrow (!), and then photoraphing it using flash at full power, as equally awful as causing any disturbance whatsoever to a visiting Crane sp.? Is photographing a Chinese Bulbul at the nest, using flash, as criminal as photographing a breeding Brown Fish Owl with flash? Common sense needs to prevail (and more of that later too).

Additionally, does it matter where the disturbance occurs? Do the same rules of conduct apply at Mai Po as elsewhere in Hong Kong? To me, being on a reserve means that different, more restrictive rules probably apply, and this is sometimes the case in overseas reserves, where there might be a complete ban on the use of tapes for example.

With regard to releasing news of rarities, I think that this has to be a judgement call on the part of the finder. A rare bird in the process of nesting can obviously accept little or no disturbance. The record needs to be documented, and an inexperienced observer might feel the need, for example, to call in a member of the Records Committe to confirm the identification, or might want to call in a single, trusted photographer, but otherwise keep quiet about the site. At the other extreme, the recent White-bellied Green Pigeon was a Hong Kong rarity, but so tolerant of the presence of observers that the crime here would have been in not releasing the site info. Again, common sense has to prevail.

So my feeling here is that it's very difficult to come up with a rigid set of guidelines. Certainly, they should be no more restrictive than those in force in other countries where birding and bird photography are commonly practiced. I don't think any country makes an outright ban on the use of tapes, or food baiting, or the use of flash, although individual reserves may have more restrictive rules.

That said I do think that we need a set of guidelines to convey the sense of what we as a group feel is generally acceptable, and with sanctions for those very, very few who insist on blatently and repeatedly harrassing birds. I think that most of us instinctively know when we've crossed the boundry into the unnacceptable. That little prick of conscience, the unspoken question "should I really be doing this?", or "would I want anyone to see me doing this?". I dare say most of us have been there. For those who reach this point and back off the sanctions should never apply. For those who repeatedly press on regardless, they would. Sadly, simply being a good, or well known, or experienced photographer doesn't necessarily qualify you in bird photography ethics.

So, what meaningful sanctions do we have at our disposal? Well, how about the cancellation of the offenders Mai Po permit? Know any serious photographers who could live without a Mai Po permit? Is it possible to obtain a Mai Po permit if your HKBWS and/or WWF(HK) membership application has been refused/cancelled? Yes, pretty serious stuff, but my hope would be that this would never, ever have to be invoked, and that the mere threat of the existence of such a sanction would be enough. Also let me repeat the phrase COMMON SENSE SHOULD APPLY. The idea of such a code is not that all photogaphers, or birders for that matter, should live in constant fear of being reported for the most minor of infractions, or that political correctness should run riot, but that repeated, blatant harrassment of birds should be punished.

My two cents worth.
Author: clongyin    Time: 1/04/2009 18:20

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
1.　任何時候都不應使用。

Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
3.　完全不和人分享。

Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該。

Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
2. 盡量避免。

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
2.　不應拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點
Author: kfmak    Time: 27/02/2012 20:43

Poll Questions

Q1 About the use of flash
2. Avoid using flash, stop immediately if the subject appears disturbed

Q2 How should information about locations of rarities and active nest sites be revealed?
2. Share only with persons you trust in private

Q3 Should bait be used to lure birds?
1. No

Q4 Should tape recordings be used to lure birds?
2. To be avoided

Q5 On taking photos of active nest sites
6. As long as the subject is not disturbed, and stop immediately if it is no longer so
7. Take precautions not to reveal the nest site to predators or attract passers-by


Summary
Q1: 2. Avoid using flash, stop immediately if the subject appears disturbed

Q2: 2. Share only with persons you trust in private

Q3: 1. No

Q4: 2. To be avoided

Q5: 6. As long as the subject is not disturbed, and stop immediately if it is no longer so
7. Take precautions not to reveal the nest site to predators or attract passers-by
Author: kken    Time: 21/10/2012 17:21

問題

Q1　你認為應如何使用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥？
2.　應儘量避免，如果雀鳥看來受到干擾便要馬上停止


Q2　我們應如何透露稀有雀鳥和鳥巢的位置？
2.　私下和信任的人分享


Q3　應否用誘餌招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該

Q4　應否用錄音帶招引雀鳥？
1.　不應該

Q5　我們應如何拍攝有雀鳥繁殖的鳥巢／地點？
3.　少拍為妙
Author: Lionel_Wong    Time: 3/08/2013 18:04

Quote:
原帖由 lpanglai 於 24/01/2007 01:42 發表
我覺得應該是  鳥類攝影溫馨提示  比較貼切一點.

Q1　你認&#28858 ...
我的答案也是一樣
Author: cgeoff    Time: 9/02/2018 11:44

A Code of Conduct for bird photographers on the Mainland has recently been issued by the China Wildlife Conservation Association:

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/76PwiIUYXkSJgtWrWoriOw

GeoffC



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