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Author: gary Time: 27/11/2007 21:05 Subject: 荔枝角公園隨想 - a story in Lai Chi Kok Park

近日荔枝角公園(Lai Chi Kok Park)有四隻不常見的候鳥於晚間出沒，頓時吸引大量影友/鳥友湧到該公園，令平時只得散步及緩跑客的公園一隅變得鬧哄哄。

該四隻稀客分別是丘鷸(Eurasian Woodcock)、白喉斑秧雞(Slaty-legged Crake)、普通夜鷹(Grey Nightjar)及鷹鴞(Northern Boobok)。一般以為是過境遷徙的普通夜鷹及鷹鴞很意外地在十一月底出現，確實是一筆很有趣而重要的記錄。

據悉發現該熱點的鳥友有一晚偶然見到一隻丘鷸，最初只將消息傳給幾位朋友，後來當攝友越來越多時，所發現的雀鳥品種亦越來越稀奇，最後每晚都成了一個不約自來的影雀/觀鳥約會。這種情況在以往的觀鳥圈子發生了發多次，印象中有數年前塱原的白喉林鶯所連帶的粉紅椋鳥，去年石崗由紅翅綠鳩所引發的“鶇潮”。這種現象確實是為觀鳥者帶來不少樂趣及話題。雖然這種現象重覆又重覆，我卻發現情況近年已有改變。而我所說的改變是指消息散發的渠道及方法。

隨著攝影器材數碼化，觀鳥者的很難避免添置攝影器材作為觀鳥的一種裝備。漸漸越來越多人喜歡四處拍攝雀鳥，攝得越多品種越好。本來”剔雀”是親眼見到一種新鳥種到現在變成私人電腦裏的一個相片檔案。這種情況越來越普遍，據本人於一個週末觀身於塱原所見，百份之九十的觀鳥/影鳥人都手持一部數碼攝影機。

影雀越來越普遍，而網上貼相及討論更趨熱鬧。而這次荔枝角公園熱點更是由網上相片的流傳而廣為人知，”野動網”(並非批評，請放心!)不但成了影友交換攝影心得及作品的平台，更成了消息散布的渠道(雖然影友並沒有刻意洩露地點)。反觀觀鳥會的網頁，似乎遲遲亦未有鳥友/影友有意欲於鳥會網站貼相或散布消息，我相信很多觀鳥會鳥友，尤其是外籍人更未有發現這熱點。這種情況並非第一次發生，早陣子的小田雞，據我印象中在消息發出一星期後才有人在鳥會網站點相或討論。這種”先影友後鳥友”的消息傳播情況相信會一直持續，而且可能有更趨強烈之勢。

思考箇中原因，只是因為影友對鳥會的網站失去興趣。

不知道鳥會是不是忽視觀鳥者喜觀影雀的趨勢，還是未能觸摸影雀友的喜好，總之鳥會的網站未能成為影雀友貼相及交換心得的地區，漸漸更失去了雀鳥出沒的消息。我估計將來這種情況會越來越嚴重，更多觀鳥/影鳥者會在其他討論區分享作品及心得，而觀鳥會會遇到越到越來越多的競爭及挑戰。

將來是如何光景我們很難知道，但現在我們可以肯定觀鳥者要掌握最新的雀鳥情況，單單瀏覽鳥會網頁並不足夠。

Gary

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News of the four rarities (Eurasian Woodcock, Slaty-legged Crake, Grey Nightjar and Northern Boobok) at Lai Chi Kok Park was first reported at and spread through another forum (hkwildlife.net), which has now become THE PLATFORM for sharing photos as well as information about birds. This is not the first time – I recall that the Baillon’s Crake did not appear at this Forum until after 1 week. It seems photographers will continue to get the news before birdwatchers.

This Forum has failed as a exchange centre for photos and information about birds, and the Society is facing more and more competition and challenges from other forums.

(Translation and Summary by Webcreeper)

Author: sammysam Time: 27/11/2007 21:39

Gary,

非常同意你的見解, 明顯地, 鳥攝的朋友不喜歡在鳥會post相, 我估計有以下原因.
1. 太少人參與, 回應又少, 得不到正面鼓勵.
2. 感覺上規管多. (如每個post的相片數量, 大小. 我就曾收到有鳥友電郵說我出得太多post.)
3. 分類太細, 又怕post錯位置, 不方便.
4. 在某些情況下, 真的不想透露地點, 但在此討論區, 是必須列明地點.

之前在討論區中有關鳥攝的衝突, 已清楚地看到鳥攝人仕的分化情形, 因為攝影普及後, 當中出現不少人, 有一群人是認為自己應拍到出色相片為先的, 自稱讓後世人留最好的記錄. 與另外一群自稱應以盡量減輕對大自然影響為先... 當然我自稱是後者...  心埋面真的害怕地點透露後, 會出現什麼不愉快的事情. 就如去年錦田, 在日間, 仍然有人以閃燈拍攝斑頭鵂鶹的幼鳥為例. 真怕今年他們不回來再繁殖...

老實說, 若果能分享給更多有心人, 實是好事, 心內更是滿足. 但現在最怕是"好心做壞事"....

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I agree with Gary’s view.  To me, the reasons why bird photographers don’t post at this Forum are:

1. Too few participants and responses, there is no positive feedback
2. There appears to be too many rules (e.g. no. of photos in one post, size of photos, I have received an email telling that I post too much)
3. The classification is so detailed that it’s easy to make errors, not convenient
4. Under some situations I don’t want to disclose the location but it is mandatory at this Forum

Previous discussions have shown clearly that bird photographers have organized into two camps: those who put photos before the birds and those who put birds before photos.  Being a member of the latter I worry that bad things could happen if the location is disclosed – just last year some people used flash to photograph the Asian Barred Owlet in broad daylight at Kam Tin – and I’m afraid they won’t return to breed again.

It’s good to share the news with those who have a heart, but bad things may result from good intentions.

Translated by Webcreeper

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 27/11/2007 21:41

或者我講講成個發現的流程. 查實和大家知道的日子不爭太遠.

Nov 18
鳥友 blackdogto 到街上閒奔. 發現了 Woodcock 的存在. 隨後把相片 post 上. 之後也沒引起甚麼大反應. 起碼我個人和其他人也沒有問地點. 直至兩位比較年輕的版友查問和成功拍攝到照片回來. 大家才關心起來. 隨後幾天斷斷續續. 版友來來回回. 有人影到. 有人只是在公園閒談整夜. 無功而回. 這個包括我和一些資深鳥友.

Nov 23 (Friday)
再有鳥友到公園, 成功拍得Woodcock 同時. Helen and Allen 發現 Nightjar, 雀仔To 又發現 Crake 的存在. 哄動開始.

Nov 24 (Sat)
週末早上. 有資深鳥友 Peter 發現 Pallas's Grasshopper Warbler, 除後夜晚各鳥友濟濟一堂. 笑言為甚麼沒有 Owl. 這時又有鳥友 Helen 在暗處發現鳥 Brown Hawk Owl 的存在.

Nov 25 (Sun)
消息傳得很快. 很多鳥友拍友出現.

Nov 26 (Mon)
消息傳到其他攝影網站. 很多拍友也出現了.

Nov 27 (Tue)
觀鳥熱線也有報導. 可是把 Grey Nightjar 說成 Savanna Nightjar

是實 Gary, 你也不是比我遲很多呀. 只是一天而矣..!  :wink:

說說鳥會 Forum 問題..  (待續):

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Here’s a rundown of what happened.  The delay was in fact quite short.

Nov 18
Birdwatcher Blackdogto found the Woodcock first and posted a photo (at hkwildlife.net) without much response.  Interest was stirred up after Two younger members of the forum got the location from Blackdogto and took some photos of the bird.  Members of the forum subsequently had various degrees of success at the Park.

Nov 23 (Friday)
More Birdwatchers got the Woodcock.  At the same time Helen and Allen found the nightjar while another member (To) found the crake – the party began.

Nov 24 (Saturday)
Peter found the Pallas’s Grasshopper Warbler in the morning.  Helen found the owl as people asked in the evening why there was no owl.

Nov 25 (Sunday)
Many birdwatchers and photographers turned up as the news spread quickly.

Nov 26 (Monday)
More photographers turned up as the news spread to other photo forums.

Nov 27 (Tuesday)
The news was reported on Birdline, but the Grey Nightjar was taken for Savanna Nightjar.

So Gary learnt about it just one day later than I do.

Translated by Webcreeper

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 27/11/2007 22:01

基本上. 我和 Sammy 是"同一類人" 他所說的問題我也同意.

由其是 Forum 分類問題. 很多時. 找很久也不知要把攝到的鳥兒放到那處. 我就放棄了. 例子, 我永遠也不明白和, 為何拍到一隻"反咀鷸", 卻要帖到 "Jacanas 水雉" 的 Forum 處. 這個不合邏輯的分類雖然偶硬跟了但心中卻滿不是味兒.

不知是不時這分類影響. 帖子少了, 回應的人也少了. 落得整個 forum 也滿嚴肅的. 似乎如果不是甚麼大發現. 不會有甚麼人回應. (單筒攝影除外)

ops:

另一個就是地點問題. 也許以前的日子和平很多. 觀鳥的就像一家人. 沒甚麼衝突, 但時代轉變. 數碼影響. 多了很多攝影人. 他們主要是以拍攝為主. 鳥兒為副. 影到一張美麗照片就是最重要的事. (詳情可找找舊帖子) 也許他們沒有錯. 只是他們的手法是我們所不接受. 正所謂道不同不相為謀. 我們找到了鳥兒. 只希望和我們理念相近的朋友分享. 相信怎樣說也沒有不對. 但如果要帖到鳥會來. 就只能老老實實地把地點公開. 這等於把全世界引來. 由其是這類"明星雀", 所引來的反應. 絕對是可以是很震撼.

為了確保鳥兒生活不受太大影響. (我們認為的). 唯有割愛不帖到鳥會來.

也許還有一些小問題. 但我個人覺得. 最重要就是以上幾點. 多謝閱畢!  :wink:

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About this Forum:
I am in the same camp as Sammy and find the same problems he mentioned.

About classification in particular: I often can’t decide where to place a photo of a bird after trying and eventually abandoned the effort.  Example: I never understand why Avocet has to be placed in the Jacanas sub-forum, and is not comfortable with the logic although I did follow the arrangement.

Perhaps because of this the number of posts dropped and people’s responses go down with it.  The Forum becomes quite rigid and formal.  Except for major discoveries few people would respond (digiscoping excepted).

Another problem is about the disclosure of locations.  Birdwatchers were like a family in the old days.  However with digital photography came a group of photographers who put photos before birds (see old posts).  Perhaps they are not wrong, but we don’t accept their approach.  As the Chinese saying “

eople with different outlooks won’t work together” goes, we would only share news about birds with others with similar values. Nothing can be said about that. If we post the photos at this Forum, we would be forced to bring the whole world to the bird, especially the rarities. The effect could be overwhelming (to the bird).

In order not to bring too much disturbance to these birds (we think), we have to refrain from posting photos here.

Perhaps there are other small glitches, but the above are the most important. Thanks for reading!

Translation by Webcreeper

Author: tmichael Time: 27/11/2007 22:13

This is clearly a very interesting story - any chance of a brief summary in English to explain the quite remarkable series of photos from Lai Chi Kok?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Turnbull

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 28/11/2007 00:00

Thanks Webcreeper spent so much effort to translate for us.

Author: tmichael Time: 28/11/2007 22:15

Just logged on and saw these - wow! Thanks for the considerable amount of time and effort such complete (and very elegant) translations must have taken.

Very grateful to you, Webcreeper.

I can understand the points of view of all the different parties to this discussion, but several things are clear - there has been a massive increase in the number of people trying to photograph birds in HK, not all those people are birders and value birds welfare', and that the sharing of information about easily photographable individual birds has to be handled carefully or else those birds will suffer unacceptable stress.

Mike Turnbull

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 29/11/2007 00:00

no sign of Grey Nightjar Yesterday and Tonight Nov 28.
Also can't see any Woodcock tonight.

But Brown Hawk Owl and Slaty-Legged Crake still there.

An interesting news that a woman report to police this morning 08:00 there is a bird sitting on the floor with no movement in the park. she afraid it may be a H5N1 inflected bird. But the bird disappear before police arrived. What bird will this be ? Will the nightjar change to a morningjar? :wink:

Author: gary Time: 29/11/2007 00:23

Thank you for Owen's latest update.
Thank you for webcreeper's prompt translation
and thank you for all photographers whom post the night birds photos on this web which enable more birdwatchers to share the joy.

It seems someone bought reporters to the park this evening. Maybe the Lai Chi Kok Park story will soon reported on newspaper. Really a funny experience to watch the friendly night birds at the park.

Gary

Author: blackdogto Time: 29/11/2007 00:36

Quote:

An interesting news that a woman report to police this morning 08:00 there is a bird sitting on the floor with no movement in the park. she afraid it may be a H5N1 inflected bird. But the bird disappear before police arrived. What bird will this be ? Will the nightjar change to a morningjar?

The bird that found injured was a Crested Goshawk. It was found leg-injured and no sickness observed. I picked it up and sent to SPCA. The bird will then go to KFBG for recovering.

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 29/11/2007 20:41

a Rufous-tailed Robin appeared since Sunday photoed by another birder this morning near the slaty legged crake area.

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 29/11/2007 22:00

woodcock back tonight.

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 29/11/2007 22:05

nightjar back also~!

Author: ajohn Time: 30/11/2007 14:11

[quote:ae210d1044="ssammy"]just last year some people used flash to photograph the Asian Barred Owlet in broad daylight at Kam Tin – and I’m afraid they won’t return to breed again.[/quote]

The Barred Owlets are certainly still in the same area at Kam Tin - I heard one calling fairly recently. It's obviously too early to say, though, whether they will nest in the same place.

I'm disappointed that the photographers are starting to feel that they would rather not post their photos on this forum. Many people enjoy seeing the high-quality photos that are taken in HK and do not necessarily look through the photography websites on a regular basis. It also worries me that many birds may be seen/photographed but non-photographers do not get the chance to see them, or perhaps do not find out about them at all! Are there records of rarities that are not getting reported to HKBWS?

As to the question of location, I think this is not always revealed on a website. As an example, I visit Kam Tin regularly and have seen Barred Owlet locally for several years. Even when the photos of breeding birds were posted on the website at 'Kam Tin', I did not know exactly where to look until I actually asked another birdwatcher. If you are worried about disturbance, it is often possible to reveal a general location, or even withold the location completely (but explain why you have done so).

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 30/11/2007 21:21

a new bird join the party, eagle owl there tonight !!

Author: gary Time: 30/11/2007 22:01

Eagle Owl!? :shock:

What a bizarre park!!

Gary

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 30/11/2007 22:03

someone got the photo but he is still in the park. hope they will post the photo here later.

Author: Webcreeper Time: 1/12/2007 10:15

1/12/07 明報 Mingpao

Photographers were drawn to Lai Chi Kok Park by four nocturnal rarities, Slaty-legged Crake, Woodcock, Northern Boobok and Grey Nightjar.  Ken Ching of the Eco-Education and Resources Centre said that photographers should not through stones at birds or disturb them using flash.  HF Cheung, Chairman of HKBWS  commented that such practices were not encouraged but flash at a suitable distance may not be significant – birds would leave if disturbed.

閃燈圍攻罕見夜鳥
4夜行鳥齊集荔枝角公園拍友擲石為拍飛行姿態
http://www.mingpaonews.com/20071201/gza1.htm

【明報專訊】夜間活動的白喉斑秧雞、腳短嘴長的丘鷸、外形兇猛的鷹鴞、冬天不會鳴叫的夜鷹，四種都是在港極罕見的雀鳥，最近罕有地聚集在九龍荔枝角公園，信息迅速在網上傳播，大批拍友聞風而至，連日追拍，不單出動長短火、三腳架、閃燈，甚至石頭亦用上，為拍雀鳥飛行姿態，不惜用石頭掟向野鳥，同類的滋擾行為其實違法，若被定罪，可被判罰款及監禁1年。

滋擾野鳥可囚1年

4種罕見雀鳥日前齊集荔枝角公園，市民可於40米外近距離觀賞。過去一周，即引來數十名業餘攝影者連日追拍，周三晚上，就有近20名「拍友」出動，走到草地上捕捉珍禽的一舉一動。

生態教育及資源中心總監程詩灝表示，曾發現有人隨手拾起石頭掟向雀鳥以拍攝飛行姿態，也有人以閃光燈拍攝，令飛鳥受驚。他說，本港無論在觀鳥或生態拍攝都未有完善法律或指引，拍友們應當自律。

4種罕見雀鳥為白喉斑秧雞、丘鷸、鷹鴞及普通夜鷹，有網民就指，地方不大的公園居然有4種不常見的夜行雀鳥暫居，實屬罕見，而在黃昏時分，「不用2小時就可以看齊」。網民形容，以往觀看夜行鳥類，都是選擇駕車上山，但即使上10次山，最多只能看見一種，現在「一次過滿足4個願望」，有人形容為「堪稱神話」。

程詩灝表示，荔枝角公園鮮有發現罕見雀鳥，以往觀鳥會亦曾有發現這4種雀鳥的記錄，但能清楚且近距離拍攝則是首次。他估計，雀鳥是因東北季候風而暫留本港，隨着季候風轉弱，部分雀鳥會於一兩天內離開本港往南飛，遠赴印尼或澳洲。

拍友追攝珍禽如打野戰

周三晚，程詩灝帶同記者前往荔枝角公園觀察，晚上7時半左右就發現一隻白喉斑秧雞在草地徘徊，距離人群不足40米，有人走近牠也不走避。這時候，已有20多名「拍友」身穿迷彩裝，在樹下「圍捕」另一雀鳥，當雀鳥飛到別處時，他們隨即捧着三腳架踐踏草地緊隨目標，到了近鐵絲網位置，即用上300mm及600mm的鏡頭對準雀鳥，恍如打野戰般瞄準目標。

程詩灝說，當晚的拍友已比前晚守規矩，他見過有人用閃光燈拍攝夜鷹，使夜鷹受驚，而白喉斑秧雞、丘鷸及鷹鴞的雀鳥，多在蒲台島或米埔發現，拍友拍攝時應顧及雀鳥安全，「晚間拍攝時應盡量避免使用閃燈，尤其對夜行動物更不可使用」。

杜先生周二及周三皆到公園拍攝，他表示待了兩天十分值得，因對保育研究工作甚具價值，有人用閃光燈拍攝雀鳥，他亦深感不滿，「當雀仔如模特兒般操控，為拍而拍，不顧雀鳥安全，令其受驚」。他在港大從事海洋生態研究，表示從前動物都不怕人，現在則被人們嚇怕，感到十分可惜。

香港觀鳥會會長張浩輝解釋，在荔枝角公園出沒的4種雀鳥均屬夜行鳥，而且甚少鳴叫，故此不易被人發現，牠們曾在本港出現的記錄幾乎可用十隻手指數出。他說，荔枝角公園環境僻靜，沒人騷擾，或吸引牠們棲息，若牠們習慣環境，還有機會「物以類聚」吸引其他同類來訪。不過，他預計4位稀客留港時間不長，鷹鴞及夜鷹以往最長也只停留約3周，而白喉斑秧雞及丘鷸最長則會逗留數月。

對於拍友的操守，張浩輝指本港大部分拍友非常自律，「我也有見過用石仔丟向雀仔，或者拾走鳥蛋(的拍友)，但非常少有，當然我不鼓勵有關做法」。他認為，若拍友與雀鳥保持適當距離，用閃光燈應不會構成太大騷擾；若果雀島感到極大干擾，會選擇離去，而且目前是遷徙，非繁殖時期，牠們相對不太敏感，「最重要不要令牠們受傷」。

漁護署發言人表示，根據《野生動物保護條例》，任何人如對野生動物作出滋擾，均屬違法，若定罪可被判罰款10萬元及監禁1年。發言人又呼籲，若有市民發現有人滋擾野鳥，可以報警或致電漁護署跟進。

明報記者彭碧珊張岳弢

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吸引珍貴雀鳥棲息　鳥迷拍友捱凍夜訪
鬧市公園變綠洲

http://appledaily.atnext.com/template/apple/art_main.cfm?iss_id=20071201&sec_id=4104&subsec_id=11867&art_id=10482988

【本報訊】毗連美孚新  及西鐵路軌的荔枝角公園近日成為石屎森林  的小綠洲，吸引列為國家二級保護動物的鷹鴞（粵音：囂）等珍貴雀鳥棲息，本周三晚上數十名觀鳥迷及攝影發燒友冒  驟冷天氣到來，希望一睹珍貴雀鳥真面目，保育人士不滿早前曾有自私拍友罔顧雀鳥安危擲石驅趕，直斥行為卑劣。　記者：陸羽平

這批訪港「稀客」包括鷹鴞（俗稱貓頭鷹），夜鷹、丘鷸（粵音：核）及白喉斑秧雞，全是經香港到南方或南半球過冬的候鳥。香港觀鳥會主席張浩輝指這批雀鳥過去鮮有在本港出現，特別是列作國家二級保護動物的鷹鴞更罕有，本港觀鳥人士可近距離觀賞絕對是難得機會。

昆蟲成為天然「糧倉」

對於置身高樓及西鐵路軌之間，由荒廢工地改建而成的荔枝角公園竟成為珍貴候鳥棲身地，觀鳥人士大惑不解，但張浩輝估計公園內遍佈草叢，存活的昆蟲成為雀鳥天然「糧倉」，加上該公園一直未被注意，難怪吸引候鳥到來棲息。生態  育及資源中心總監程詩灝估計候鳥隨風向或氣流飛行至此，加上公園提供足夠食物，才吸引牠們作短暫居留。

據觀鳥人士稱，美孚新  一帶經常出現達 30 多種雀鳥，絕大部份是居港的留鳥，早已有一批固定市民及拍友在此拍照，過去數周珍貴候鳥藏身荔枝角公園消息傳開後，觀鳥迷固然雀躍，並且吸引更多攝影發燒友慕名前往，可是觀鳥人士發現當中有自私拍友，為攝下雀鳥拍翼高飛姿態，竟使用閃光燈拍攝，甚至向雀鳥擲石故意驚嚇，罔顧雀鳥安危。

本周三晚上市區氣溫驟降至攝氏 16 度，但無損 30 多名觀鳥迷及拍友興致，他們換過厚毛衣、帶備夜視望遠鏡，在寒風下架起長鏡頭整裝待發，部份人更穿上迷彩衣，只求一睹珍貴候鳥現身，荔枝角公園越夜越多人，頓時變身觀鳥勝地。

據記者現場目擊，這晚拍友未有出現擲石及以閃燈拍攝的「越軌」行徑，但個別人士卻不時忘我地高談闊論，令觀鳥人士側目。生態  育及資源中心總監程詩灝指近年多了市民拍攝雀鳥及蝴蝶本是好事，但若果他們不是真心保育，而是抱有以作品「鬥多鬥靚」互相炫耀心態，完全忘記生態攝影是拍攝動植物自然一面、不可破壞生態及對動植物構成干擾的大原則，令人質疑他們根本不尊重生態。

干擾者罰 10 萬囚 1 年

據《野生動物保護條例》，任何人士故意干擾受保護野生動物，包括雀鳥，雀鳥搭建的巢穴及鳥蛋都屬違法，最高罰則為罰款 10 萬元及監禁 1 年。法律界人士黃國桐稱，所有動物都受保護，向雀鳥拋石也算襲擊行為，只要有人舉證便可入罪

Author: yjoe Time: 1/12/2007 16:36

我也很奇怪,
公園鳥在鳥會的定義中,
一直也是迷鳥或放生鳥, (即使有些鳥也在公園內繁殖下一代)
公園的生態亦一直不認為是大自然的一部份.
同樣都未能得到鳥會重視.

除了在香公用昻貴器材拍到的是例外.

不是說過, 不要公告希有鳥種的正確位置. 又或者鳥季過後才貼相嗎?

在鳥鳥平等的前題下,這些鳥只不過在一場冷風,吹到這裡來,
有年吹到旺角南北, 有年吹到茘景.有年吹到西九, 有年吹到港大中大,
今年就吹到這裡.

不過,
這裡有足夠食物讓他們過冬嗎?
這裡有野放的貓嗎?
在大事宣掦之下,會吸引更多閃燈, 和捕鳥人嗎? (每一個公園都會有 "有潛質的捕鳥人" )
又或者好心的餵鳥人嗎?
更甚的是『這鳥可食嗎一族』?

還有一家大小經新聞介紹之下, 帶來追鳥的小童, 叫小童追鳥的傭人和祖公母們?
還有更多更多用相機『打雀』的人.

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青公前個月來了一隻不怕人的牛背鷺...
他不怕野貓
常站在近人路的水池邊自顧自的,
有時到小山坡捉虫仔,

跟住用石塊擲鳥而得樂的頑童出現了...
他開始外出找吃,晚間選了樹頂棲身.

跟住穿鮮艷衣服的『打雀』人仕出現了...
他鮮有出現了.

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鳥會只會關心拍鳥的機會?
擔心慢人一拍?
失去推薦鳥點的領導地位?

還是會關心鳥在香港的實況?
教導大眾尊重大自然的態度?
又或者怎麼樣的公園設計和維修, 可以吸引更多鳥種安居? (我認為這是可能的)
還有在禽流感的威協下, 人鳥如何和諧共處?

這幾年, 我覺得鳥,
變成了鳥攝界的『成名』工具, 變成了鳥攝界的『超女』.
真希望這潮流快點完結.
讓鳥生活得自然一些.
可惜, 事實是才剛剛開始.

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Is it the main concern of HKBWS not to lose its leading position in recommending birding sites?

Or is it to care about the conditions of birds in Hong Kong,
to promote respect for Nature,
to recommend how to design and maintain bird-friendly parks,
or to suggest how one could live in harmony with birds under the threat of bird flu?

It seems to me that birds have become the stepping stones to fame, the super models among bird photographers.
I hope that such “hit” would come to pass so that birds could lead more natural lives.
Unfortunately, this is only the beginning.

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Author: kmatthew Time: 1/12/2007 17:36

Personally, I think the birding world is getting more and more complicated as photography moved into the subject. Photographing birds itself is harmless and also very useful, it is good for identifying species or recording new records.

I think the reason why some birders don't want to post the rare birds records up on the internet any more is because they love birds. They have seen in the pass people disturbing the birds after the news was out, and therefore don't want it to happen again. But on the other hand, the photographers might think letting the news out will decrease the "worth" of their photographs.

But honestly, conservationist and photographers will always have a different opinion. The conservationist will always think protection of birds is the priority, while the photographers think taking a good photo is a priority.

Indeed, Joe is right, many people is now using birds to become famous in some aspect. They probably didn't start as a birdwatcher like many people in the HKBWS, therefore have a lack of knowlege in conservation.

Many birdwatchers have now also taken on photography, I am personally one of them. But we need to keep the balance between not disturbing the birds, and taking a good photograph. What will the people visiting HK thinks when they see some people throwing stones at birds just to take a good photo? What will the younger generation of birdwatchers think? Will they do the same thing?

I wouldn't go as far as calling this a "war" between birders and photographers, but I am sure that if they don't understand the conservation which is needed, this argument will continue.

Author: gary Time: 1/12/2007 23:31

It seems Joe has brought us to an new and broad topic.
Though I'm not representing HKBWS, I'd like to state a few points:

1. The one whom brought reporter to the park is not representing HKBWS. Please read the detail of Ming Pao for the title of the man.

2. Bird watching and photography is no conflict with nature conservation. The problem only happen on the conduct of individual birdwatcher or photographer.

3. Sharing bird news, especially the migratory birds, is encouraging more people to enjoy birdwatching. It's birdwatcher's own decision to disclose the location if he think it's too sensitive.

Gary

Author: kmike Time: 1/12/2007 23:44

Th role of HKBWS is to raise awareness of birds and birdwatching and to do so in a way that does not harm the birds.

We also collect data about birds for scientific research as we have been doing for 50 years. It is this data that gives HKBWS its position as the leading authority on birds in Hong Kong - even though we have no legal power. This is why we request all photos include the date and place - they become part of the knowledge about birds that we can share with others.

It much less important to have the most popular website. Personally I welcme HKwildlife as providing a forum for many people who appreciate nature in some form but do not know about the deeper conservation concerns which are central to HKBWS.

With any new craze there will be those who seek fame and those who cut corners, and occasionally act with disrespect towards the things they target. The best we can to is for those who appreciate the higher values to demonstrate them and persuade the others by dialogue and example, remembering no-one is perfect or completely innocent.

I'm very happy that many people continue to share their news - this is the spirit of birding - allowing others the same enjoyment and thrill of seeing birds. Those who do not share harm themselves the most.

Author: 深藍-Owen Time: 2/12/2007 23:16

seems only the lovely not shy crake left in the park tonight.

Author: Hendrix Time: 3/12/2007 13:51

http://www.hkbws.org.hk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=209

一早都講過哩個問題啦，我當時的很多留言更被 del 了 :?: :evil:

本來相熟的，新網上的名（面孔）被強行改成都唔知邊係邊個，點交流呀？ :?: :?: :?: :!:

Author: swaiyan Time: 4/12/2007 00:06

crake and woodcock tonight (3/12)

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