Roman

This is likely M.a.lugens rather than ocularis

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Original posted by cgeoff at 11/01/2021 15:08
Why's that Roman?

From the pics we can see the thick rear part of eye strip, and the whitish greater converts.

[ Last edited by Roman at 11/01/2021 15:22 ]

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Original posted by ajohn at 5/02/2021 10:32
I'm sure this is ocularis rather than lugens.
- I don't think the eyestripe broadens as much as expected for lugens, and is actually quite narrow still where it meets the black nape. The eyestripe on  ...

Thanks John, This is helpful again.
I thought I understand this two race but seems I am definitely wrong on that bird, even I have seen this individual and watching it careful, this is important to check it part by part.
Could you check the below bird at Santin I was identified as lugens previously, I think it still match the points after your advice, thanks.

[ Last edited by Roman at 5/02/2021 11:46 ]

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Original posted by ajohn at 14/02/2021 14:30


This bird also looks like ocularis to me - typical head pattern, pale grey back, grey lesser coverts, not much white in primaries/secondaries. The white in the greater & median coverts is a bit more ...

Thanks, though lugens are overlooked in HK, but in fact seems it's over reported by me, I am afraid I never seen lugens in HK.