tomatofamily

Tomorrow is the AGM of HKBWS.  I am sorry that I cannot come as a member (A01548).  There are two matters passed in the previous AGM that need someone in the committee to clarify : 1) why the fee for elderly needs to be increased drastically (from HK$70 to HK$250); 2) why a staff left with HK$1,800,000.00， leaving our financial problem (I understand "employer can offset the LSP/SP  payable to employees under the Employment Ordinance agains the MPF derived from the employer's mandatory and voluntary contributions" https://www.mpfa.org.hk/en/mpf-s ... severance-payments.

Best regards

Eric
2023-10-24

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tomatofamily

Yeah, I would like to know anything discussed related to the above matters at the AGM held yesterday (25/10/2023).  Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

Eric

tomatofamily

Dear Alan CHAN, our Honary Secretary,

First of all, thank you for your reply.  However, I am quite puzzled when it was said "Being a good employer, the Society did not offset the Long Service Pay / Severance Pay with our MPF contribution, although the practice is allowed by the Employment Ordinance."  What that means that those employers using the system to offset the LSP/SP against MPF are bad employers!  You know, HKBWS is a non-profit NGO.  Those hard earned money the society has I believe are from the charity fund, and membership fees, and books sales.  If there is already a legal channel for LSP/SP, why have to use it although the society shows its appreciation to its leaving staff.  Think twice, we are NGO.

Best regards.

Eric

ps. It was "離職金 180 萬元" written on the last minutes (not $1.5 million).  why is there such a different in documentation?

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tomatofamily

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Original posted by BWA at 28/10/2023 09:52

The questions were brought up at the AGM as AOB.  Below is the Chairman's response:

Q1
Subscription fees had to be increased because they could not cover the actual cost of membership activities.  E ...

Yes, regarding this question 1, I did not object the increase of the fee. Every daily life expenses nowadays have been increased to certain amount somehow.  But I objected the drastic increase only for the elderly membership.  What is the actual cost of membership activities involved, which I or every members would like to know.  And the chairman's suggestion to joining the Crested Bulbul Club is kind of ridiculous; these are totally different groups.  Would the members of Crested Bulbul Club are entitled to the Mai Po Marshes Entry Permit issued  by HKAFCD?  Some elderly like doing bird watching by their own without other around.  Again the drastic increase of membership fee for elderly is not acceptable.  I hope the committee members could hold the fort properly.  By the way, is there any way to see the financial report; it should have been given to members before the AGM.

Best regards.

Eric

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tomatofamily

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Original posted by HKBWS Tung at 9/11/2023 17:10
Below is a further response from the Chairman.

Besides the cost of membership activities having gone up as mentioned in my previous reply, the number of elderly members doubled in four years’ time w ...

Dear Mr. Lau, the Chairman of HKBWS,

Thanks for your detailed reply.  However, your reply has not resolved my doubts about how the monies were spent on the staff left the Society.  And the previous reply by the Honorary Secretary was not professional at all when he/she said, "Being a good employer, the Society did not offset the Long Service Pay / Severance Pay with our MPF contribution, although the practice is allowed by the Employment Ordinance." And now you said another version.  We definitely need to know how those staff left the Society, either by termination or resignation on his/her own will.  The treatments of the monies used surely were different.  And I read the summary version of the financial report; however, the auditor's report, which was supposed to be sent to each member before the AGM along with the summary, is what I want to read too.

Best regards.

Eric
2023.11.15

tomatofamily

To other members:

I realised that what I have used "we" from time to time in my messages regarding this matter is not prudent enough because I cannot stand for other members.  Please forgive me for this.  However, as an individual member in the Society, he/she has right to get clear picture of what has been done concerning.

Best regards.

Eric