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Looks like Northern to me, especially from first shot.

While there has clearly been a significant influx into South China with the exceptional weather in the last seven days or so, I think that with greater observer awareness, and a lot more people looking and taking photographs, it may turn out that this species is of rare, but regular occurrence in HK - I think the very first House Martin I saw in HK, at Tai Long Au on c 28 October 1987 was in fact Northern, as it too had a huge gleaming white rump, but it just shot through.

In fact, Brazil in Birds of East Asia says Northern occurs regularly in South China in winter, or something similar; does anyone know the reference he bases that statement on? Hopefully not on a misreading of Cheng who lumps Northern and Asian, though the Jabouille record of lagopoda for Guangzhou Bay may refer to Northern.

Mike Turnbull

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Certainly agree this is very clearly Asian if the second set of pictures are the same as the first bird - in the first set of pictures, though we get an impression of a squarish tail, I can't see anything else that really points to Asian, and surely the white rump looks very extensive. Could all be just the light and angles and I defer to Paul's wider knowledge.

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