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(Message started by: hunter1983 on Nov 20^th, 2002, 11:42pm)

Title: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify the bird?
Post by hunter1983 on Nov 20^th, 2002, 11:42pm

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Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü???
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Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü???
Post by hunter1983 on Nov 22^nd, 2002, 6:24pm

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What is the name of this bird that photo in Taiwan?
As advised by the birdwatchers from Taiwan, it is a Yellow-rumped Flycatcher.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Gary on Nov 22^nd, 2002, 11:31pm

Let me take a guess,
the tiny brwon collar along with pale orange/yellow lower mandible base make me take a guess of Red-throated Flycatcher race albicilla. It looks like a female but the white spot on wing covert and pale orange color on the throat of the last photo may suggest a juvenile male.

Is that any other opinion?

Gary

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Paul Leader on Nov 23^rd, 2002, 7:39pm

I think it is either a Narcissus F. narcissina or Green-backed F. elisae Flycatcher. The combination of dull rufous tail and upper tail coverts, olive-brown upperparts, uniform tertials, rather unifrom underparts, all dark bill and narrow eyering elimate all other possibilities including Yellow-rumped and Red-throated Flycatchers. This bird would appear to be a first-winter based on the pale tips to the greater coverts. I do not think that the separation of first-winter elisae and narcissina is well known, and there is also the complication of the recently described Beijing Flycatcher, which would appear to be very closely to elisae, and unknown in first-winter plumage. For what it is worth this bird looks very similar to female Narcissus I have seen in HK in spring.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Koel_Ko on Nov 23^rd, 2002, 11:46pm

Paul,
The bird in the photo appeared to have blue wing coverts and a rufous tail base. I would like to ask whether a narcissus could show these features? Thank you.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by George_Ho on Nov 24^th, 2002, 12:00am

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Yes,why the bird have blue wing coverts.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Paul Leader on Nov 24^th, 2002, 8:27am

Koel,

When you refer to blue on the wing coverts, which coverts do you mean. I can see no blue whatsoever in the photographs. The tail colour fits Narcissus.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Koel_ko on Nov 24^th, 2002, 3:45pm

Paul,
Thanks for your reply. In my monitor the primary coverts and greater coverts all appeared to have a bluish grey hue, and so is the scapulars to a lesser extent.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Paul Leader on Nov 25^th, 2002, 10:06am

I have looked at the pictures on another monitor, and still see no blue in the pluamge of this bird. It still looks like a female Narcissus/Green-backed Flycatcher to me.

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by TUNG on Nov 25^th, 2002, 11:20am

Paul,

I do see blue on lesser and primary coverts of the bird!

Tung

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by gjcarey on Nov 27^th, 2002, 2:11pm

I also don't see blue as such, though there appears to be a lighting effect that might, on some monitors (I presume), appear more blue.

It also looks to me like a Narcissus female.

Geoff

Title: Re: ???????????? Please help to identify the bird?
Post by Mike_Kilburn on Nov 28^th, 2002, 8:48am

I too see blue on my monitor.

Could it be that it is a pigment of the imagination?

Title: Re: ¤j®aª¾¹DÊ\ªº¨¥÷¶Ü??? Please help to identify
Post by Webmaster on Nov 28^th, 2002, 1:42pm

Hard to judge without breaking down into details. Please see below. Both bill and wing show blue color in the image, does it imply anything?

http://karl.cupnoodles.net/fileServer/birddetail.jpg