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(Message started by: Daniel CK Chan on Apr 5^th, 2003, 7:49pm)

Title: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬Ü®VöÈ
Post by Daniel CK Chan on Apr 5^th, 2003, 7:49pm

373 Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬Ü®VöÈ
Mai Po Nature Reserve ¦Ì®H¦ÛµM«OÅ@°Ï
05/4/2003
EOS10D, EF500 IS + 1.4X, ISO400
http://www.danielckchan.com/pagephotos/birds/birds20030004/images/b20030163-0600-bd20030400240.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/daniel_chan01/danielchannflycatcher01.jpg
http://www.danielckchan.com/pagephotos/birds/birds20030004/images/b20030164-0600-bd20030400242.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/daniel_chan01/danielchannflycatcher02.jpg
http://www.danielckchan.com/pagephotos/birds/birds20030004/images/b20030165-0600-bd20030400239.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/daniel_chan01/danielchannflycatcher03.jpg

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by 648 on Apr 5^th, 2003, 8:11pm

373 Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬Ü®VöÈ
Mai Po Nature Reserve ¦Ì®H¦ÛµM«OÅ@°Ï
05/4/2003
EOS 1D 600MM IS+1.4X ISO400
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http://kite.center.kl.edu.tw/usr/15/15_62.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/648/648nflycatcher01.jpg
http://kite.center.kl.edu.tw/usr/15/15_62_1.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/648/648nflycatcher02.jpg

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Daniel CK Chan on Apr 5^th, 2003, 8:21pm

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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by 648 on Apr 5^th, 2003, 8:30pm

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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by KK Hui on Apr 5^th, 2003, 8:32pm

Daniel & 648,

Great shots of this little bird!

I'm not sure how much post processing you both had done but 648's shots are obviously sharper and color is more vivid. Could this be the superior resolution the 1D as compared to 10D? If not, I suspect the 600IS is far better in terms of sharpness and color rendition. That really has me thinking now!!!!! Could I have some technical data such as iso setting, ss etc please ...

648: What is that tiny white dot on your pictures???

Best
kk
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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by 648 on Apr 5^th, 2003, 8:51pm

KK,
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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Daniel CK Chan on Apr 5^th, 2003, 9:21pm

on 04/05/03 at 20:51:09, 648 wrote:

KK,
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kk,

I have the white dots too but removed by PS. ;D

The original photo is generated by PS automate - web photo gallery. I have re-saved by "save for web" now.

The info. of #1 is shown below.

Shooting Date/Time
2003/4/5 PM 12:25:17
Shooting Mode
Aperture-Priority AE
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/320
Av( Aperture Value )
5.6
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
400

Regards
Daniel

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by 648 on Apr 5^th, 2003, 9:30pm

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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by KK Hui on Apr 6^th, 2003, 8:59am

on 04/05/03 at 21:30:06, 648 wrote:

§Ú¤W¹Ï¬O1/125S,ev+1/3;¤U¹Ï1/320S,¨ä¥Lªº©MDANIEL¤@¼Ë¡C

Thank you both for the shooting info. I think even with IS activated, a ss of 1/320 ~ 1/125 sounds dangerously low to me for a subject that doesn't keep still. This bears out more in Daniel's images. I think using fill flash in this case may save the day ... ;D

Best
kk
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www.geocities.com/kkhui_001

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Daniel CK Chan on Apr 6^th, 2003, 7:09pm

on 04/06/03 at 08:59:28, KK Hui wrote:

Thank you both for the shooting info. I think even with IS activated, a ss of 1/320 ~ 1/125 sounds dangerously low to me for a subject that doesn't keep still. This bears out more in Daniel's images. I think using fill flash in this case  may save the day ...  ;D

Best
kk
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www.geocities.com/kkhui_001

I have tried to use ff with EF2X, but the result is not good as the eye is too white to me :-[

Best

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by BERNARD on Apr 7^th, 2003, 12:34pm

Hi Daniel & 648,

Both of you take good clean pictures ! Did you both use hides to wait for the bird to approach very closed to you to take photos ? How close was the bird (how many feet) ? Did you both switch on noise reduction for ISO 400 ? I tried flash photos in Tai Po Kau with noise reduction at ISO 400 and the birds and background still always appear grainy and powdery. Probably my pictures are mostly underexposed (didn't have better beamer) and magnified too much (didn't use hide, so I am quite far away from those birds). I guess both of you use shutter wire to avoiding shaking.

Awaiting your expert opinion.

Bernard.

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by 648 on Apr 7^th, 2003, 2:16pm

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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Peter Wong on Apr 7^th, 2003, 2:56pm

Daniel & 648,
Excellent photos, I'm quite jealous indeed.
Can you tell me where I can find this lovely bird? Is it the path near the Great Crested Grebe?

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Daniel CK Chan on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:42pm

on 04/07/03 at 14:56:44, Peter Wong wrote:

Daniel & 648,
Excellent photos, I'm quite jealous indeed.
Can you tell me where I can find this lovely bird? Is it the path near the Great Crested Grebe?

Peter,
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648,
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Daniel

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by ³¾¤Í¢Ï on Apr 7^th, 2003, 8:56pm

on 04/07/03 at 14:16:48, 648 wrote:

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Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Hendrix on Apr 7^th, 2003, 10:46pm

Handsome bird :D cool pics ;)

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Koel_Ko on Apr 8^th, 2003, 5:13pm

It is really kind and helpful of you to post up these gorgeous photos to share with all the birders here! Actually i have some questions about the bird itself, features that cannot be revealed with the exception of these excellent photos:

1. Why is the mantle of the bird in the second and fourth photo greyish-green? Is that light (I'm a weak amateur photographer only) or is that the bird?
2. Does the shade and extensiveness of orange on the throat indicate different subspecies?
3. About the call of a Narcissus - does he call like 'tseee'?

Thanks a lot for the sharing and answers in advance.

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by TUNG on Apr 8^th, 2003, 5:39pm

You can see some greyish on wing, compared to black on back. Also, this bird has only yellow on throat and breast. You can find some other birds with some orange tinge on throat. It indicates that could be the first year male, which is born last summer.

I also saw one Narcissus Flycatcher by the AFCD wadern post, Mai Po this afternoon and it has some orange tinge on throat. It should be different bird.

Tung

Title: Re: Narcissus Flycatcher ¶À¬ÜöÈ
Post by Koel_Ko on Apr 9^th, 2003, 10:30am

Tung,
Thanks for your answer! That one I've seen then might have been an adult male.