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(Message started by: felixcat on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:10pm)
Title: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by felixcat on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:10pm
Osprey ³½ÆN
14/11/2004
Mai Po Nature Reserve
10D+500/4+1.4XII
ISO400, Evaluative @ f8

Though Black Kites are likely to be the Bird of November with so many great shoots posted, I would still like to post this cooperative Osprey for sharing, which provided me many chances to practise.  I chose these two shoots for posting showing the underwing details.

http://photo.iplux.com/albums/maipo_14112004_Osprey/CRW_3926.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/felixcat/felixcat_80.jpg

http://photo.iplux.com/albums/maipo_14112004_Osprey/CRW_4013.jpg
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/fileServer/PhotoG/felixcat/felixcat_81.jpg
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by Daniel CK Chan on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:25pm
The #2 is good. Like the wing position, Felix!
Looks too reddish to me..... ???
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by Etta on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:34pm
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Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by 648 on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:43pm

on 11/15/04 at 23:10:43, felixcat wrote:
14/11/2004
Mai Po Nature Reserve

Though Black Kites are likely to be the Bird of November with so many great shoots posted, I would still like to post this cooperative Osprey for sharing, which provided me many chances to practise.  I chose these two shoots for posting showing the underwing details.


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Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by felixcat on Nov 15th, 2004, 11:58pm

on 11/15/04 at 23:25:02, Daniel CK Chan wrote:
The #2 is good. Like the wing position, Felix!
Looks too reddish to me..... ???


Daniel,

Maybe white balance problem as this shoot was taken at around 4pm and I keep the color temperature a little bit warmer @5800K.  Do you think it is problem?

Felix


on 11/15/04 at 23:43:09, 648 wrote:
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Dear Fei,

Here are the technical details (ISO400, f8, 1/800s, C1 processed).  Hope it is my problem instead of 10D's.  Otherwise, there will be one more reason to upgrade to 1dII la ;) .  Any remedy you can suggest?

Felix
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by Anguslau on Nov 16th, 2004, 12:46pm
Like #2. ;)
But as mentioned, there seems to be some overexposure. I also felt that there was some strange color on the body. This may be produced if you adjust curve too much (try to brighten up the dark underwing??).

I use C1 as well, color accuracy with the 10D is generally pretty good (except with bright yellow using the builtin profile). Using AWB should be fine under most outdoor situations. If you still find your color not accurate enough, you may like to try the camera profiles by ETC. They are very accurate and I have no complaint at all. ;D I have been adjusting my raw workflow all the time over the last 2 years. Still learning... But now I tried to do as little adjustments as possible. I only use +-EV in C1. After loading into PSCS, I'll adjust the black and highlight points using Level, also adjust the contrast via the middle slider. Then may be some final touch up using curve. For more aggressive shadow recovery, I found that PSCS's shadow recovery very effective. It is much easier to do and results much more natural than trying to fiddle with curve yourself.

Just my 2 cents worth...
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by KK Hui on Nov 16th, 2004, 1:06pm
Ageed with Angus ...
The funny color on the body of the #2 shot is largely due to over exposure in the first place. Attempt to rectify this using curve was overdone hence the result as is. ;D

KK Hui ARPS
www.geocities.com/kkhui_001
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by felixcat on Nov 17th, 2004, 12:02am
Thanks all experts for providing valuable advice to my photos and pointing out exactly what I have wrongly done.   :-[

I followed the suggestions made by Angus again (-0.35ev and auto white balance in C1 + some adjustments in PS).  Though I still can't fully handle all adjustments as advised, I re-post the photo #2 which I don't think correctly adjusted but for showing what I have overdone in adjusting the underwing details.

http://photo.iplux.com/albums/maipo_14112004_Osprey/CRW_4013_1.jpg

Software                                 C1 LE version 3.5.2 for Windows.
Exposure time                         1/800s
F-Number                        F 8.0
Exposure program                Aperture priority
ISO speed ratings              ISO 400
Exposure bias value            EV 0.4
Metering mode                  Multi-segment
Flash                                          Off
White balance                  Auto
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by Anguslau on Nov 17th, 2004, 3:04pm
Felix, just to show you what PSCS can do for you without getting into complicated adjustments using curve. I downloaded your image and applied shadow/highlight with all default settings... and come up with the following. A slightly better image may result with more tweaking of the parameters, but you get the idea...
http://www.pbase.com/anguslau/image/36451024.jpg
Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by 648 on Nov 17th, 2004, 4:29pm
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Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by Etta on Nov 17th, 2004, 6:59pm
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Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
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Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by ²`ÂÅ Owen on Nov 17th, 2004, 9:09pm
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Title: Re: Osprey ³½ÆN
Post by felixcat on Nov 17th, 2004, 10:41pm
Thanks Angus and 648 again.   Need more practice and learning.
Title: Workshop ¤u§@§{
Post by Forrest FONG on Nov 18th, 2004, 1:15am
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I think we need to arrange a workshop for members to share their valuable experience and tips on using Photoshop to touch up thier bird photos. ::)

Hi KK, grateful if you could kindly accept my invitation to be the tutor of this workshop! ;D

Forrest 8)
Title: Re: Workshop ¤u§@§{
Post by Betty on Nov 18th, 2004, 1:49pm

on 11/18/04 at 01:15:43, Forrest FONG wrote:
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I think we need to arrange a workshop for members to share their valuable experience and tips on using Photoshop to touch up thier bird photos. ::)

Hi KK, grateful if you could kindly accept my invitation to be the tutor of this workshop! ;D

Forrest 8)


Hurray! I once sent a e-mail to HKBWS office suggesting for a class on "How to use Photoshop". That would be great if there's a workshop. :D

You know what ,we have bought 3 books on Photoshop, costing us a thousand bucks. But I am still using JEPG.:( Will there be a class /workshop on "Photoshop for Dummies"? ;D
Title: Re: Workshop ¤u§@§{
Post by felixcat on Nov 18th, 2004, 10:26pm

on 11/18/04 at 01:15:43, Forrest FONG wrote:
Hi KK, grateful if you could kindly accept my invitation to be the tutor of this workshop! ;D

Forrest 8)


Forrest, grateful if I could be one of the students of such workshop  ;D  How about make a statistic on how many of us would like to join and you can book a larger room for us?  ;)

Felix


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