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(Message started by: geoff_welch on Apr 19th, 2006, 6:47pm)
Title: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by geoff_welch on Apr 19th, 2006, 6:47pm
Common & Nordmann's Greenshank, Mai Po

http://www.geocities.com/geoffwelch46/NG.jpg
Title: Re: Common & Nordmann's Greenshank, Mai Po
Post by 深藍 Owen on Apr 19th, 2006, 6:53pm
Thanks Geoff~!

http://www.i-owen.com/Bird_photo/20060419/IMG_4330.jpg
http://www.i-owen.com/Bird_photo/20060419/IMG_4331.jpg
Title: Re: Common & Nordmann's Greenshank, Mai Po
Post by geoff_welch on Apr 19th, 2006, 7:02pm

Is the difference in the camera or the photographer?

I think a bit of both.
Title: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by Forrest FONG on Apr 20th, 2006, 12:15am

on 04/19/06 at 19:02:01, geoff_welch wrote:
Is the difference in the camera or the photographer?

I think a bit of both.

I can't see any difference between the photographers. :P
Both of you forgot to mention the information (date & location) in the prescribed format required in the BBS. >:(

Forrest 8)
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by geoff_welch on Apr 20th, 2006, 6:23am
Sorry.

Mai Po.
19/4/06
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by HF_Cheung on Apr 20th, 2006, 10:09am
Is it possible that they are not Nordmanns?  I think they are Common Greenshanks.  

The feathers covering the tail and also the length of the leg above the tarus are good features.  

The leg colour, bill shape, bill colour are often misleading.

HF Cheung
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by gjcarey on Apr 20th, 2006, 11:04am
In the two photos of two birds, the right hand bird is Nordmann's. The one bird on its own is a Nordmann's.

Compare and contrast the pattern of the upperpart feathers, particularly the breeding plumage feathers showing through on the Nordmann's, which are dark with broad white notches at the edge, or a broad white v-shaped edge.

Geoff
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by geoff_welch on Apr 20th, 2006, 10:10pm
The original title of this sequence was "Common and Nordmann's Greenshank", both birds being shown in the photo so that viewers could compare the features of the two (as Geoff has done).

The title has now been changed by someone to "Nordmann's Greenshank" - I hope that hasn't confused people into thinking both birds are Nordmann's.
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by Karl on Apr 20th, 2006, 10:12pm
yes geoff, the upperpart feather by itself can tell the ID.
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by HF_Cheung on Apr 20th, 2006, 10:35pm
Thank you for pointing out this.  I have made a mistake in the ID.  

Hf Cheung
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by Bob Thompson on Apr 21st, 2006, 6:38am
The name of the subject should be changed back to the original name as given by Geoff
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by Forrest FONG on Apr 21st, 2006, 9:33am

on 04/21/06 at 06:38:09, Bob Thompson wrote:
The name of the subject should be changed back to the original name as given by Geoff


on 04/20/06 at 22:10:20, geoff_welch wrote:
The title has now been changed by someone to "Nordmann's Greenshank" - I hope that hasn't confused people into thinking both birds are Nordmann's.

Dear all,

In posting your message onto the BBS including your stunning photos or photos of rare birds, please do observe the requirements/prescribed format of the forum.
<<Please read before start new topics !!>> (http://www.hkbws.org.hk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=PhotoGallery;action=display;num=1135863731)

If we can properly mention the date, location & more information about the photos we posted, we can know more about the bird shown in the posted photo and share the experience in watching it as well as taking photo of it.  Researchers may even get valuable data from them for their studies, e.g. photos of Pale Martin.

By doing so, it will also facilitate the BBS moderators in maintaining the BBS and save us a lot of time (reduce our workload in renaming the titles, reminding members to mention the information, correct the date format and the short form of location name, etc.)

In Owen's above message, nothing was mentioned except a thank you to Geoff~ (it could be done by the private message function of this BBS). I don't think it would be helpful to the visitors/viewers of the BBS except seeing more nice photos of birds. If more description could be provided instead of just providing several bird names in the title, I believe no one would be confused. >:(

Thank you for all your coorporation and kind sharing onto the BBS.

Best Regards,

Forrest 8)
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by tunpin.ong on Apr 22nd, 2006, 10:18pm
It is very challenging to ID Nordmann's when it has assumed breeding plumage even partially. I had seen many times in Malaysia and they are always in plain non-breeding plumage(hence easier to tell from Common G). It is a learning for me and wish I had seen one in Hongkong one day. ;)
See my recent blog.
http://nordmannsgreenshank.blogspot.com/
Regards,
Tun Pin ONG
Sydney, Australia
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by gjcarey on Apr 23rd, 2006, 9:05pm
I don't think Owen should be advised not to post a "Thank you Geoff" message on the BBS, and instead to send a private message. Many messages in the Photo Gallery thread are no more than 'Nice picture, well done'. Owen's is no less than this.

Indeed, a number of messages in the Photo Gallery are no more than exclamations, exclamation marks and/or assorted smileys. Certain contributors to the board appear to do no more than post such messages.

However, perhaps it is time for these messages that contain little of substance to be reduced in number?

As for providing more information with pictures, by removing Common Greenshank from the title, it appears that the amount of information provided is reduced, not increased! If somebody is searching for photos of Common Greenshank on the board, does removing the name mean that these photos would be missed?

Geoff
Title: Re: Nordmann's Greenshank
Post by johnallcock on Apr 24th, 2006, 2:43pm
I agree with Geoff's point that removing the name of common greenshank from the title reduces the information available.

This set of photos is very useful for comparing these two similar species, which is very useful for anyone trying to understand which features are most useful for separating them.

By removing the name of common greenshank from the title, visitors to the site may be less likely to use the link for improving ID skills, or could easily assume that both birds are Nordmanns.


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